Swedish tobacco tied to premature death - PhysOrg

[truthwolf1]

Smoking was taking years of my existence where Snus is more like hours.

[krahv]

Doesnt matter, this day everything you do in someones mind increases your risk of cancer. You just have to find out urself.

And the risk of missing out of life pleasures because you think you can avoid all the disastres, accidents and other illnesses ist worth it. Live life to the fullest. But dont do drugs too much.

[deadohsky]

I already believe that i'm going to get cancer at some point (both of my parents died from different types) but no matter what the studies say; snus makes my life tolerable if not more enjoyable. In my mind, it's CLEARLY better than smoking so i don't really care. I think i'm more akin to develop it than the majority but snus for me helps make life tolerable.

Does that make me a hopeless addict?

[snusjus]

Deaths from Obesity: 300,000 premature deaths associated with obesity annually (CDC)
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/o/obesity/deaths.htm

Comparing the dangers of snus use and obesity, I would be more concerned with my waist line.

[Frosted]

I read a study a couple years ago that said once you have smoked 10+ years your chances of dying from lung cancer are the same whether you continue to smoke or quit. Sometime during the course of smoking you trigger the cancer process and it is irreversable. Yes, other negative effects of smoking go way when you quit but if you have already done the damage..............

I've read all that too but I've also seen that there's a trigger around the age of 35. If you continue to smoke after the age of 35 your risk of cancers rockets and you're quite likely to kick the bucket at around 55 or so. If you quit before or around the age of 35 the risks of smoking related cancers fall to almost that of a non smoker.

[CoderGuy]

The way I figure it; in the next 20 years everything enjoyable will either be banned or taxed so high it will be out of reach, there will be no money for social security, medical will be a fiasco, no one will have jobs or money, and we will probably be 10 years into WWIII, and the fact that every time I see an "old" person I think to myself, "I do NOT want to get that old", I am happy with the stats of using snus and shortening my lifespan.

Hmm... this post has a hint of pessimism, but I feel good about it.

[Experimental Monkey]

You can die from almost anything. Driving to work every day is a risk. Life is a risk. I don't want to hear how snus COULD cause cancer. At least now I can comfortably breathe and I can once again smell and taste things. That's more than I could say when I was a smoker.

[Frosted]

I've only known one person die from a smoking related illness who was my aunt. It was a dreadfully cruel illness - lung cancer at the age of 55. She was a heavy smoker.

My grandparents on my fathers side worked all their lives in a cigarette factory and smoked - they got free smokes from the company. My grandfather died two years ago of natural causes and my grandmother is still alive at 87 and doing very well I might add.
My grandfather on my mothers side smoked cigarettes and a pipe. He died in his sleep at 91.

All the other people I know that have died have died of something completely different and unrelated to tobacco - so all this health fad stuff is a load of shit.

[dxh]

I've only known one person die from a smoking related illness who was my aunt. It was a dreadfully cruel illness - lung cancer at the age of 55. She was a heavy smoker.

My grandparents on my fathers side worked all their lives in a cigarette factory and smoked - they got free smokes from the company. My grandfather died two years ago of natural causes and my grandmother is still alive at 87 and doing very well I might add.
My grandfather on my mothers side smoked cigarettes and a pipe. He died in his sleep at 91.

All the other people I know that have died have died of something completely different and unrelated to tobacco - so all this health fad stuff is a load of shit.

I agree somewhat, but all the smokers in my family are ill. Not cancer, but copd.
Smoke enough and you WILL get sick. Might not kill you, but who wants the chronic illness that comes with smoking? not me

[truthwolf1]

I've only known one person die from a smoking related illness who was my aunt. It was a dreadfully cruel illness - lung cancer at the age of 55. She was a heavy smoker.

My grandparents on my fathers side worked all their lives in a cigarette factory and smoked - they got free smokes from the company. My grandfather died two years ago of natural causes and my grandmother is still alive at 87 and doing very well I might add.
My grandfather on my mothers side smoked cigarettes and a pipe. He died in his sleep at 91.

All the other people I know that have died have died of something completely different and unrelated to tobacco - so all this health fad stuff is a load of shit.

That is very similar to my grandparents and many others that I know. The differences I have noticed is they ate/drank more anti-oxident rich foods but also full fat cuts/cheese etc., worked physically far more and used way more alcohol in moderation. Smoked liked chimneys also! Dead ends.

My parents who are in rough shape smoked less, drank less (if at all), worked physically less and ate far more processed foods and have had nothing but problems.

I am trying to live my diet and life more like my grandparents.
Get myself working on some house project while also consuming a little alcohol and eating real food.

[Frosted]

I agree somewhat, but all the smokers in my family are ill. Not cancer, but copd.
Smoke enough and you WILL get sick. Might not kill you, but who wants the chronic illness that comes with smoking? not me

I'm in no way saying that smoking is a good thing - all the possible associated illnesses with it are terrible. What I'm merely pointing out here is the stark difference in safety between cigarettes and snus and relating my own personal experience and perception.
People really are nit picking if they try to pin snus as being dangerous. Yes there might be some cases where things go awry with snus - but burned food causes cancer, lack of exercise causes cardio vascular problems etc etc. but a heck of a lot of this is down to ones genetic make up in the first place.

Cigarettes make snus look like candy apples in comparison.

[dxh]

I'm in no way saying that smoking is a good thing - all the possible associated illnesses with it are terrible. What I'm merely pointing out here is the stark difference in safety between cigarettes and snus and relating my own personal experience and perception.
People really are nit picking if they try to pin snus as being dangerous. Yes there might be some cases where things go awry with snus - but burned food causes cancer, lack of exercise causes cardio vascular problems etc etc. but a heck of a lot of this is down to ones genetic make up in the first place.

Cigarettes make snus look like candy apples in comparison.

For sure. I am not worried about snus. I quit smoking because I was having issues breathing when doing exercise.

[shag1952]

smoking

Okay lets assume that smoking does not cause lung cancer, what about the other diseases, you know COPD. Heart disease?? These two alone kill 500,000 plus people every year. Me, I know first hand, I have heart disease, been battling it for 9 years now now, switching to snus will probably save my a** as far as cancer I'd have you ask my father, but that disease claimed him a long time ago.

[Darwin]

To many anti-tobacco zealots it would not matter if snus was safer than distilled water. They reflexively condemn any and all tobacco products because any admission at all to any shades of gray concerning tobacco is seen as intolerable backsliding in the fight against the hated enemy. Nuance and perspective are not their strong suits.