Swedish tobacco tied to premature death - PhysOrg

[timholian]

Truthwolf is right, it's the heart disease that kills most smokers before the lung cancer can.

Yep, thats how my father died. He smoked like a chimney and died at 55 of heart disease.
Let me take a minute to reflect on just how important snus is to my health.

[Premium Parrots]

Yep, thats how my father died. He smoked like a chimney and died at 55 of heart disease.
Let me take a minute to reflect on just how important snus is to my health.

lets all take a moment........

[Joe234]

It is hard to weed through all the nicotine propaganda, but it is the smoke that kills you not the nicotine.

Laboratory research indicates that cigarette smoking causes toxic cardiovascular effects. For this reason, nicotine replacement medicines such as nicotine gum and the patch have been extensively evaluated for cardiovascular toxicity, especially for patients with cardiac disease. These trials suggest that use of nicotine replacements for smoking cessation does not increase cardiovascular risk. These findings are consistent with the generally slower and lower doses of nicotine obtained from the medicines as compared to tobacco products, and to the absence of carbon monoxide and numerous other toxins in tobacco smoke.

Yes, however studies seem to indicate that tobacco smoke is more toxic than
marijuana smoke. They supposedly have never found a case of lung cancer
tied to marijuana. Recent studies show cannabinoids may inhibit cancer cells
from forming. So if you do smoke tobacco mix some weed with it.

[socal70xr7]

I think Beer and Fast Food have a better chance of giving you Pancreatic Cancer!

[Treath]

I don't want cancer or anything(particularly pancreatic cancer), but at this point is there anything that doesn't cause cancer?

Cancer is everywhere nowadays, but genetics dictate if someone gets it or not.
Even plastic beverage containers are cancerous.

[sgreger1]

I never said that at all! Look at the facts.

I said radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer. Cigarette smoking is the leading
cause. However the majority of smokers never get lung cancer just as the majority of people
living in homes with radon gas do not. I think everyone has some level of radon.

Now if you look at the facts and the CDC's own statistics you will see that most smokers
never get lung cancer. Prove me wrong with some statistics. You are able to show
us snus and mouth cancer statistics. How about some showing lung cancer rates
of smokers? Just over 90 % of cig smokers never get lung cancer.

Cigarette smoking increases your risk of getting lung cancer. Recent research
seems to indicate that there is a genetic component.

I have also heard doctors state this similar statistic on TV.
You will hope it's correct since I have also heard when you
quit cigs your lung cancer risk only drops 1-2 %. Down to about
a 5-6 % you will get lung cancer years later after you quit.




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Cigarette smoking is the number one cause of lung cancer deaths in the U.S. At least 31% of all cancer deaths in the USA are caused by smoking.

The risk varies from 1% to 15% depending on packs per day and length of time smoking. Odds are higher that smoking related lung disease such as emphysema (15-30% of long term smokers) or coronary heart disease (up to 50% of smokers) will cause death in a smoker than cancer.

In addition, After 10 years, the risk of lung cancer is almost the same as a non-smoker.

Men are 23 times more likely to develop lung cancers if they are chronic cigarette smokers

Tobacco kills up to half of all users.
It is a risk factor for six of the eight leading causes of deaths in the world. (WHO statistics)

In a Canadian study - 1 in 6 men who were chronic smokers developed lung cancers - so it is a slow form of Russian roulette.
Male smokers - lifetime risk of lung cancer 1 in 6
Female smokers – risk of lung cancer is 1 in 9
Risk of lung cancer in non-smokers is 1 in 77
Can J Public Health. 1994 Nov-Dec;85(6):385-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/78952…

But that means 5 of 6 smokers did not develop lung cancers. They "got away with it" - though many died prematurely with emphysema or cardiovascular disease.


Be it from lung cancer or not, there is a host of medical ailments one could recieve by smoking cigarettes, and the detriment smoking has on the person is directly connected with how many packs a day someone smokes.

I'm not doubting your statistics, but saying that only 10% of smokers will get lung cancer is a bit misleading since smoking can cause a host of other cancers and ailments.



Matt Ridley's Genome: The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters (focuses on the genetic aspect of cancer mainly):

Cancer represents a genetic disease cause by the accumulation of error's in a cell's DNA. These mutations are usually prevented through a series of protection mechanisms, however sometimes they fail and the mutation is propagated. Depending on the type of the error a cell can be predisposed to accumulate error's, become neoplastic and/or immortal (tendency to multiplicate and disrupt other cells). There are certain elements that may increase the odds of a mutation happening (chemical, radiation, even viruses - HPV ). Smoke is one of those elements, so while there is no guarantee that smoking will actually give you cancer, it increases the odds. Since carcinogens in tobacco smoke gets into your blood-stream you can get cancer basically anywhere. Smoking also substantially increases the risk of cardio-vascular diseases and other pulmonary afflictions such as emphysema (especially if you're a chain smoker).

[Simplysnus]

My grandpa died from cardiac issues before the lung cancer could get him. A race I'm hoping to avoid now.

[truthwolf1]

My dad had his first heart attack around 55 and then a few more. Still alive but now on blood thinners for the rest of his life. Also had colon cancer which is something that usually follows heart attacks from body inflammation. He was about a half pack a day smoker most of his life.

[Treath]

My grandpa died from cardiac issues before the lung cancer could get him. A race I'm hoping to avoid now.

My dad had his first heart attack around 55 and then a few more. Still alive but now on blood thinners for the rest of his life. Also had colon cancer which is something that usually follows heart attacks from body inflammation. He was about a half pack a day smoker most of his life.

That's horrible.
I really hope you both don't get any diseases later in life. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer like that.

It seems like smoking is the worst legal thing anyone can do in life.

[Frosted]

I think that Joe was right in what he was saying. I remember reading a study which stated that 10 out of every 100 smokers get lung cancer which means that 90 people out of those 100 will never get lung cancer. They're terrible odds no matter which way you look at it.

The same study stated that 2 out of every 100 people that never smoked get lung cancer.

The problem with smoking is that if you're in the 90 that don't get lung cancer - you WILL get something else. It destroys your circulatory system and lungs anyway.

As far as studies go that say that snus is harmful - I have to listen to my own body. My body tells me that snus is doing me the world of good whilst smoking told me that it was messing my body up big time and it was going to kill me. My snus taking is not telling me that it's going to kill me. The benefits since stopping smoking have been huge and snus has helped to stop me from killing anybody else.

[Jwalker]

Most smokers die of cardiovascular disease. The amount is probably a little over exaggerated but it's quite high at lower end estimates of 25 percent or so.

[Jwalker]

You also die much sooner. The average age of lung cancer is 72. CV death is 50-65 usually.

[sgreger1]

I think that Joe was right in what he was saying. I remember reading a study which stated that 10 out of every 100 smokers get lung cancer which means that 90 people out of those 100 will never get lung cancer. They're terrible odds no matter which way you look at it.

The same study stated that 2 out of every 100 people that never smoked get lung cancer.

The problem with smoking is that if you're in the 90 that don't get lung cancer - you WILL get something else. It destroys your circulatory system and lungs anyway.

As far as studies go that say that snus is harmful - I have to listen to my own body. My body tells me that snus is doing me the world of good whilst smoking told me that it was messing my body up big time and it was going to kill me. My snus taking is not telling me that it's going to kill me. The benefits since stopping smoking have been huge and snus has helped to stop me from killing anybody else.

Yah and you have an 83.3% chance of not being shot while playing russian roulette, but it's a gamble most people don't want to take.

[wa3zrm]

The benefits since stopping smoking have been huge and snus has helped to stop me from killing anybody else.

+1

[rkh3]

I read a study a couple years ago that said once you have smoked 10+ years your chances of dying from lung cancer are the same whether you continue to smoke or quit. Sometime during the course of smoking you trigger the cancer process and it is irreversable. Yes, other negative effects of smoking go way when you quit but if you have already done the damage..............