Swedish tobacco tied to premature death - PhysOrg

[razzor7]

No, recent studies show that cannabinoids DO inhibit certain cancers and even trigger programmed cell death in other cancers. People and lab rats. Miraculous ishh, but don't think the Amurikuns care. This is much more established than any snus cancer risk, which I believe this study shows is a definite, albeit smallish, possibility.

edit; why doesn't quoting people work on this forum? I'm too irritated to go back and put in the post I clicked reply on... oh I see there's two buttons. that's neat.....

[spirit72]

They said "use of other tobacco products" which would increase the chances of getting cancer.

As would alcohol, which has been linked to cancers all along the digestive tract, and seems to have a synergistic relationship with tobacco in that arena as well.

So yeah. Bad sample.

Life causes cancer.

[razzor7]

Doesn't it seem a bit arrogant to assume these scientists aren't considering the basics (pretty sure a PhD knows what a control group is)? I thought I read that they corrected for the use of alcohol and other tobacco products.

[texasmade]

No, recent studies show that cannabinoids DO inhibit certain cancers and even trigger programmed cell death in other cancers. People and lab rats. Miraculous ishh, but don't think the Amurikuns care. This is much more established than any snus cancer risk, which I believe this study shows is a definite, albeit smallish, possibility.

edit; why doesn't quoting people work on this forum? I'm too irritated to go back and put in the post I clicked reply on... oh I see there's two buttons. that's neat.....

http://networkedblogs.com/5xfXw

researchers at the State University of New York (SUNY), Upstate Medical University in Syracuse published data in the June issue of the journal Pharmacology concluding that the administration of the plant cannabinoids delta-8-THC and delta-9-THC halted cellular respiration and tumor growth in human oral cancer cells. Specifically, investigators reported that cannabinoids were a “potent inhibitor” of Tu183 human cancer cells, a notoriously difficult to treat type of oral cancer.

US government researchers were first aware of this finding over 35 years ago, and today there exist published scientific studies demonstrating that cannabinoids can inhibit the proliferation of a wide range of cancers — including brain cancer, prostate cancer, breast cancer, lung cancer, skin cancer, pancreatic cancer, biliary tract cancer, and lymphoma.




On topic: Insomnia is linked to increased pre mature death.

Life is linked to a certain chance of death.

[PipenSnus]

It's been scientifically proven that 100% of people who are born will die. The rest is just trivia.

[dxh]

Yah and you have an 83.3% chance of not being shot while playing russian roulette, but it's a gamble most people don't want to take.

Tell me about it.
Smoked for years. Quit two months ago and I can feel it.
Cancer is scary
so is copd which is killing my mom

[dxh]

http://networkedblogs.com/5xfXw

researchers at the State University of New York (SUNY), Upstate Medical University in Syracuse published data in the June issue of the journal Pharmacology concluding that the administration of the plant cannabinoids delta-8-THC and delta-9-THC halted cellular respiration and tumor growth in human oral cancer cells. Specifically, investigators reported that cannabinoids were a “potent inhibitor” of Tu183 human cancer cells, a notoriously difficult to treat type of oral cancer.

US government researchers were first aware of this finding over 35 years ago, and today there exist published scientific studies demonstrating that cannabinoids can inhibit the proliferation of a wide range of cancers — including brain cancer, prostate cancer, breast cancer, lung cancer, skin cancer, pancreatic cancer, biliary tract cancer, and lymphoma.




On topic: Insomnia is linked to increased pre mature death.

Life is linked to a certain chance of death.

I love taking a bong rip while i snus.
Sleep is a major factor in early death and disease.
People who go to bed before 11pm tend to be a lot healthier then the night owls.

[razzor7]

I love taking a bong rip while i snus.
Sleep is a major factor in early death and disease.
People who go to bed before 11pm tend to be a lot healthier then the night owls.

used to be I couldn't imagine what ripping would be like without a follow up cig. Thank god I found snus

[dxh]

used to be I couldn't imagine what ripping would be like without a follow up cig. Thank god I found snus

I felt the exact same way

[Nu2Snus]

used to be I couldn't imagine what ripping would be like without a follow up cig. Thank god I found snus

Here here. It was something I automatically did. Smoke a bowl. Smoke a cig. now it's. put in a snus. smoke a bowl. and...... well yah.

[NorSnuser]

That study has some major methodological problems. It even points these out, saying they were using very old data (over 30 years old) obtained by interview with no longitudinal data for changed habits. They tried to correct for alcohol, but this information was also obtained by interview and apparently wasn't longitudinal either. There was no attempt at adjusting for diet, socioeconomic status or other factors. I think the following comparative study shows some of this study's faults and gives some perspective.

http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf

[Joe234]

Take your anti-oxident vitamins.

[Joe234]

http://www.physorg.com/news127925625.html

The study examined the use of snus in the Swedish municipalities of Enkoping and Habo during a 30-year period, along with residents' use of other tobacco products and alcohol.

Did they separate those using snus from other tobacco products and alcohol?

http://www.dana-farber.org/can/preve...=CDR0000062852
Tobacco and Alcohol Use: Tobacco use (cigarettes, pipes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco) is responsible for most cases of oral cancer. Alcohol, particularly beer and hard liquor, are associated with an increased risk of developing oral cancer. The risk of developing oral cancer is higher in people who use both tobacco and alcohol. Avoiding or stopping the use of tobacco decreases the risk of oral cancer. It is not known if stopping the use of alcohol decreases the risk of oral cancer.

[BadAxe]

No, recent studies show that cannabinoids DO inhibit certain cancers and even trigger programmed cell death in other cancers. People and lab rats. Miraculous ishh, but don't think the Amurikuns care. This is much more established than any snus cancer risk, which I believe this study shows is a definite, albeit smallish, possibility.

edit; why doesn't quoting people work on this forum? I'm too irritated to go back and put in the post I clicked reply on... oh I see there's two buttons. that's neat.....

The man speaks the truth. But of course, The good ole US of A will never admit that pot maybe actually helps prevent cancer, not after all the years of blatant untrue fear tactics they labeled on weed, and will now not relent on any of them. I smoke my weedies every day and stay nice and cancer free. lol

[texastorm]

I just reread this after the last post put it on the front page, and Joe started some controversy with his link to an article that says smoking does not cause lung cancer.

Well it doesn't "cause" cancer...

Why would I say that? Well if it caused cancer everyone would get cancer. So what it does is increase your risk of getting cancer. But no study has ever shown that smoking actually causes the cancer. All of the studies prove increased risk factors.

Language lesson aside, we all agree hopefully that smoking is inherently bad and people should enjoy tobacco in less harmful, less annoying forms... right?

Still, I am so glad I am not smoking anymore. I wake up every morning and take a nice deep breath of smoke free air, and life is good. I might still die of cancer. All of the men in my family smoked, all of the men in my family died young, usually between 55-65 of either heart disease or lung cancer. My father and uncle both died from lung cancer and were both heavy smokers... so the genetics thing makes some sense. Hopefully that gene has skipped me and my siblings.