The PACT Act, The USPS and You

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  • WickedKitchen
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 2528

    #16
    1.) Isn't this restricting interstate commerce? I thought there were stiff penalties for doing that. I guess if the government breaks it's own laws then it's not illegal. Wait, didn't President Nixon do that? I don't claim to know that much about it but I seem to recall the statement "If the President does it it's NOT illegal." Maybe too many movies, but I know nobody is supposed to restrict interstate commerce.

    2.) I received a box from Club Snus that was literally taped back together. Apparently the box broke (not at the seam) and was repacked and mended w/ USPS tape. It certainly looked like it happened in transit. If something like this happened w/ any shipment of snus after June whatever it may be problematic. This is why the companies won't take the risk. Northerner used to write "Crafts" on their customs declarations. Now it says Snus.

    3.) I'd be shocked if you could pick-up from Northerner. I asked that of GetSnus 'cos my company just moved it's headquarters to a location 8 miles from their warehouse and I go there every month. It would've been sweet if I could have knocked that out on the same trip. They said no.

    4.) They can't scan the mail. Not all of it anyhow. The post office is supposed to ask you if there are any "liquids, perishables, or hazardous items" but even at that I only get asked that about 50% of the time. Besides, you could say whatever you wanted to. How the hell would they know what's in it? Tampering with mail is a federal offense. If they were to open a package to check if there is contraband in there then they would have to open every package. It's not practical. I doubt there would be tobacco sniffing dogs. I could see pot getting sniffed out and other powdered substances (coke, heroin, etc.) but not tobacco. All you need it a postal worker go outside for a butt then handle your package and (that sounded funny...handle your package) and there would be trace elements of tobacco picked up by the sniffer.

    The way I see it it's like Mafia Rules w/ this PACT crap.

    Have no fear fellow snusers...one can very easily acquire just about anything you can imagine in the US. They can't keep the illegal stuff out so I wouldn't worry too much about the legal stuff. It seems they want to make sure you buy it in a store so they can collect your taxes. That's all. Prohibition didn't work, making pot illegal didn't work, stiff penalties for DUI doesn't work, and the list goes on and on. Now if they shot people for snus...that might work but thankfully that won't happen.

    I think it's ground breaking legislation for the fact that it might be that first step down a very slippery slope but I don't think we've got THAT much to worry about. There will always be ways.

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    • truthwolf1
      Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 2696

      #17
      I am pretty sure they scan return addresses for any contraband and also have the dogs roaming the lines. They just give them a scent and they will find it and send you a seized by homeland security letter.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #18
        Homeland Security is becoming like the SS. Smearing political opponents, having control over punishing people without trials, taking my snus.

        In 1930's germany, it all started when they banned the mailing of snus. Banning snus in USPS = will lead to concentration camps... or something

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        • lxskllr
          Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 13435

          #19
          Originally posted by WickedKitchen
          Have no fear fellow snusers...one can very easily acquire just about anything you can imagine in the US. They can't keep the illegal stuff out so I wouldn't worry too much about the legal stuff.
          My concern isn't so much getting it, as it being worth getting. Machine guns, or a couple keys of coke are worth paying a hefty premium for. Snus? I don't know. I'm taking a wait and see approach for how all this shakes out.

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          • Veganpunk
            Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 5382

            #20
            This is total shit.

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            • cj
              Member
              • Jul 2009
              • 1563

              #21
              i agree

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              • AtreyuKun
                Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 1223

                #22
                Nazi bastards

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                • Adios_Cope
                  New Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 6

                  #23
                  Swedish Match et al should start wrapping snus in cigar wrappers, then call it "cigars".

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                  • shikitohno
                    Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1156

                    #24
                    I think we ought to at least see how well enforced this is for non-US vendors before we start crying about the end of snus. I'm not saying we shouldn't complain very vocally, but I wouldn't toss it in quite yet for just going with the same old Buysnus and NicotineRush routine. It's an unenforceable law, so I think you might get the odd package seized, but there are strategies to minimize the loss from that.

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                    • bert7690
                      New Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1

                      #25
                      The government sucks.
                      They should have excluded snus. This is the pact against cigarette trafficking not the pact against snus!

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                      • ladysnus
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 601

                        #26
                        Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                        Maybe, but maybe they did this also, with the idea if it didn't work, they could still continue on selling to non-USA buyers.
                        I was just going to post this concept.
                        Tom and Dave were very smart. They have the whole rest of the world to sell nasal snuff to. They will have no shortage of customers over there.

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                        • texasmade
                          Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 4159

                          #27
                          Originally posted by justintempler View Post
                          The only exception for samples is for cigarettes, smokeless has no exceptions.
                          BS. used to ship dip to a lot of my buddies overseas in the military. put em in pringles containers

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                          • skyline142
                            Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 193

                            #28
                            Pringles containers... Thats perfect! Not that I am going to be shipping any goods anywhere. But hey! Buysnus should start sending my shit in there. I really DONT wanna convert to Northerner. I just dont. Yuck. Northerner has done nothing but upset me. While buysnus, is great. And I got 400 business cards made, and was JUST starting to build my referral base, and now this.... Buysnus needs to get a US warehouse.

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                            • danielan
                              Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 1514

                              #29
                              Originally posted by skyline142 View Post
                              While buysnus, is great.
                              http://www.snuson.com/forum/showthre...408-Cheap-Snus

                              I'd talk to them about their currency conversions before I bought from them again - or I'd buy in Euros.

                              They appear to be exchanging at 1.43 dollars per Euro instead of 1.23. While I only checked this because of the current rates - 1.43 hasn't been a valid exchange rate since 1/1. As an example, this works out to about $9 on $60 - IMO, not chump change.

                              I don't doubt that they will fix this, but it's a problem, IMO. That's 15% or so off from where it should be. I didn't check the other currencies.

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                              • justintempler
                                Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 3090

                                #30
                                Originally posted by texasmade
                                BS. used to ship dip to a lot of my buddies overseas in the military. put em in pringles containers
                                It's not BS.
                                You're talking about what you used to do, I'm talking about what the new PACT/USPS regulations say.
                                If you want to resort to smuggling in Pringles cans that's your buisness.
                                I don't know how strict enforcement will be but the law says the shipper is the one that will face the penalties if he gets caught. Your call, do what you want.

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