Life on Mars?

[sgreger1]

Wouldn't you think that if there was a cover up, there'd also be supression of the "tree" pictures?

Fact is, there's a huge amount of high res imagery of Mars being dropped into the public domain every day.

Which of course begs the conspiracy issue.....it's probably a snow job.

Conspiracies are a bit like religion - difficult to disprove.

That's why I said it's possible that it's some conspiracy but there's nothing really pointing in that direction. I don't see why there would be a conspiracy over trees anyways lol. The new pics from mars are all amazing. For years they posted mars as just some red soiled thiningland and now it seems to have a much more colorfull aspect to it. Absolutely beautifull.


For the record, I don't believe there is any cover up. I'm just intrigued by those crystaline looking things and trying to figure out what they could be, but i'm not a scientist or a geologist so I don't really have any tools at my disposal other than snus forums [/i]

[lxskllr]

Ah, yes I recall seeing that image before. So then if the images on this website Tom posted are real, which it seems they are, what do you make of the weird fractal crystaline pattern? I mean they can't be trees, so what are they?

Chad covered that on the first page. It's debris trails with the perspective amplified do to the photographic style.

[sgreger1]

http://www.unarius.org/mars/glass-tubes.html

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewph...RS_GLASS_TUBE/

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/art.../printer_3.php

http://geology.com/nasa/evidence-of-water-on-mars.shtml

http://blogsci.com/science/water-con...-lake-on-titan

Ah yes, enterprise mission. Their artcle on that one moon from saturn is very intiresting. I've seen the tube pictures before. Could be natural but I dunno, looks kinda out of place to me.

[sgreger1]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6979855/Nasa-photographs-trees-on-Mars.html

"The "trees" are really trails of debris caused by landslides as ice melts in Mars's spring. You can even see a cloud of dust, just to the left of centre of the picture, where an avalanche is caught happening."

Lx, are you talking about this pic? I'm familiar with why this pic looks the way it does, but the ones tom posted are completely different. Not sure if it's the same phenomena. The pic chad posted shows an optical elusion that makes the spikes look like they go up vertically, but Tom's pic just look like it has to be froma different phenomena. I dunno, all I gotta say is mars rocks and we should get a manned mission over there.

[tom502]

My belief is in Planetary Migration, that Earth was manned from Martians. If we consider the ancient stories of giants, and the Elohim, and consider Mars, especially long long ago, then these beings would be like giants on the Earth. It could be also, that they "helped" human species evolve on this planet, as their planet was dying, and so now inhabit vast underground civilizations, as their ancient ruins lay in waste on the surface. And "we" may have already been there, as it's much believed the powers that be, have had long established contact with ETs in secret.

[adm]

The other thing to remember is that many of these pics are also in false colour to reinforce the contrast of certain areas....not neccesarily what things "really" look like.

But. I think they'll find ancient (maybe fossilised)microbial/bacterial lifeforms on Mars eventually, which will slowly lead to the inescapable conclusion that life of some form eventually evolves everywhere conditions are suitable, and that our instruments just haven't been sophisticated enough to prove it yet.

It's a big Galaxy. And just one of trillions.

[sgreger1]

My belief is in Planetary Migration, that Earth was manned from Martians. If we consider the ancient stories of giants, and the Elohim, and consider Mars, especially long long ago, then these beings would be like giants on the Earth. It could be also, that they "helped" human species evolve on this planet, as their planet was dying, and so now inhabit vast underground civilizations, as their ancient ruins lay in waste on the surface. And "we" may have already been there, as it's much believed the powers that be, have had long established contact with ETs in secret.

I believe that there could have been contact with ET's in the past since there are stories about it going back more than 5,000 years, and those stories talk about it happening way before that, particularly in the Mahambarata which you are familiar with.

But if they came here to save themselves than why would they have all stayed there in underground cities. It doesn't seem like they would choose to live underground for no reason, you know? I just think it would be traceable. Theres no way they could be using technology down there and not get noticed even by ameatures.

[sgreger1]

The other thing to remember is that many of these pics are also in false colour to reinforce the contrast of certain areas....not neccesarily what things "really" look like.

But. I think they'll find ancient (maybe fossilised)microbial/bacterial lifeforms on Mars eventually, which will slowly lead to the inescapable conclusion that life of some form eventually evolves everywhere conditions are suitable, and that our instruments just haven't been sophisticated enough to prove it yet.

It's a big Galaxy. And just one of trillions.

Lets think about it, several planets just in our solar system have the ingredients necessary, water, hydrogen etc, there is a good chance there is microbial life on mars. Given those that we see that in our own solar system, and we know at least 1 planet here in crawling with life (earth) out of 9, it seems that simple math would prove that life surely must be abundant in the universe. As for intelligent life, that's hard to say. We don't know if evolution always works the same way, or if life on another planet would be radically different. But life on some level must exist out there. It's probably just too hard to travel around such vast distances.

[tom502]

I don't have the hard evidence, but being trans, it's just my inner intuition.

[lxskllr]

Lx, are you talking about this pic? I'm familiar with why this pic looks the way it does, but the ones tom posted are completely different. Not sure if it's the same phenomena. The pic chad posted shows an optical elusion that makes the spikes look like they go up vertically, but Tom's pic just look like it has to be froma different phenomena. I dunno, all I gotta say is mars rocks and we should get a manned mission over there.

Yea. I think that's just an oblique perspective of the same thing.

It's telling that over 10 pages in, there's nothing from a .edu domain ;^)

[sgreger1]

Lx, are you talking about this pic? I'm familiar with why this pic looks the way it does, but the ones tom posted are completely different. Not sure if it's the same phenomena. The pic chad posted shows an optical elusion that makes the spikes look like they go up vertically, but Tom's pic just look like it has to be froma different phenomena. I dunno, all I gotta say is mars rocks and we should get a manned mission over there.

Yea. I think that's just an oblique perspective of the same thing.

It's telling that over 10 pages in, there's nothing from a .edu domain ;^)

Yah maybe it's just the same phenomena.

As for the .edu thing, they'r all in on the conspiracy too

[sgreger1]

Life on mars:

ALH84001



http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...ef=online-news

The researchers have used high-resolution electron microscopy not available 13 years ago to study the physical and chemical make-up of the magnetites in detail, and found that no plausible geological scenario could explain the carbonate decomposition origin.

The possibility that the rock contains fossilised microbes received another boost in August when a team led by Paul Niles, also of NASA Johnson, showed that carbon in the meteorite was deposited in balmy water conducive to life, rather than a scorching temperature above 150 °C as had been proposed previously.

/life on mars

[sgreger1]

Tom,


Figured out what the tree looking things are:


Geyser like eruptions happen on mars when things thaw out:

Artists rendition:




When taken with the same cameras as those pictures on your website, cold geyser-like eruptions cause images that look like this:

From Nasa:


From your website:



They are, in my opinion, the same phenomena being observed. Some believed this effect is created by photosynthetic microorganisms.

A team of Hungarian scientists propose that the geysers' most visible features, dark dune spots and spider channels, may be colonies of photosynthetic Martian microorganisms, which over-winter beneath the ice cap, and as the sunlight returns to the pole during early spring, light penetrates the ice, the microorganisms photosynthesise and heat their immediate surroundings. A pocket of liquid water, which would normally evaporate instantly in the thin Martian atmosphere, is trapped around them by the overlying ice. As this ice layer thins, the microorganisms show through grey. When it has completely melted, they rapidly desiccate and turn black surrounded by a grey aureole.[68][69][70][71]

[tom502]

I'm not convinced. To me, they are rich flora.

[sgreger1]

I'm not convinced. To me, they are rich flora.

It's just that they are photographing a known phenomenan and giving an explanation, and then this other website is trying to say they are trees, which is much less plausible.


For trees to exist, even assuming they are different since they are from mars, would require some type of nutrient rich soil, which mars doesn't have much of.

How would they grow without food?
Why would they only grow in remote locations, as opposed to being abbundant on the surface.

Simple life can live in relitavely remote environments, but things like trees require a much larger ecosystem to be present for them to exist.

A tree by itself does not complete the necesasry circle required for sustained life.

On earth a tree goes through seasons and eventually drops it's leaves onto the ground, the leaves are composted into the soil, eaten by worms and other things that bring nutrition back to the soil. Bugs must eat the trees and birds or other animals must move the seeds around so that the trees can continue to grow in numbers. After billions of years, trees wouldn't be able to properly sustain themselves without some type of proper habitat.

Without any insects, animals or other creatures eating the trees, what would stop them from taking over the planet?

Any species of plant that could exist in such baren conditions with little to no food and no predators or natural checks and balances would quickly overrun the entire planet, making them blatantly observable here from earth using even store-bought telescopes.



Rich vegetation growing on mars would be so inconcievably hard to supress from the public that I just couldn't think it was possible, and I can accept almost any level of government conspiracy. Something like this would be like telling people the continent of Africa doesn't exist despite direct visual and otherwise observable evidence.



Hey, any other links on the tunnel thing? Of all the mars phenomenan, the tube looking tunels seems the oddest to me. They admit they are there, but try to say they are naturally occuring. But I must say it looks very out of place.




EDIT: I just realized that the picture I posted from nasa is actually the same exact picture that appears on the website you provided, just rotated and the contrast adjusted. so at least we know the picture was from Nasa lol.