Did aliens or God create the human race?

[sgreger1]

Ok, lets say just Universe.

Everything might be balanced pretty well, but sometimes YOU might not be balanced that well (that's when your chakras are affected.

Chakras do not exist. I agree about being balanced though, meditation is good to accomplish that. There is the mind, and then there is the mind that thinks about the fact that the mind is thinking. Gotta quiet the mind and exist more in the part that quietly observes your thoughts without creating any chatter itself. Very meta

There is a soul just read my post from another thread - I've been experiencing quite a lot of things and I can say that YES there is a soul. (you are a soul in a material body).

None of what you are experiencing is proof of a soul. You are experiencing various halucinations. On a side note, why in the hell are you having all of these things at once? Its common for anyone to experience one or two of these in their life, but to consistently have all of that going on must be pretty crazy for you!

Notice that the hallucination in hypnagogic state is not a normal hallucination it's a COMBO of

visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive,thermoceptive and chronoceptive halluctions. In the hypnagogia most of the occurences are similar to sleep paralysis except that in sleep paralsys the soul actually detaches from the body and the hallucinations are either not present or not as intense.

Umm, sleep paralysis does not occur due to the "soul leaving the body", that is complete nonsese. What you described is (in your own words) a halucination, a very specific type of halcuination. This all has nothing to do with a soul, and certainly is not proof of a soul.

Were you under the impression that sleep paralysis results from the soul leaving your body? Romania is crazy man. I may have to start my signature list of famous quotes from Precious again

[truthwolf1]

Thanks. Well, I haven't been using snus, so it seemed odd to still be a regular poster. I have many times thought about trying snus again... I'd look over the getsnus site... but then I'd think I don't think I'd like it anymore, and I don't think I wanna get back on it again... but that repeats at times. I wish I could just go to my corner gas station and pick up a can of General once in a while, as I'd do that, but I don't want to order a bunch, and if I got it and didn't like it anymore, one can would not be any big deal.

Glad you stopped bye Man.

Many have missed your knoweledge on many of the topics in the People & World Around US.. Those were some seriously entertaining days that might of even been spent during working hours!! Good to hear the band is still going and will have to go back into the what you are listening to see the new song.

I have forgotten the last time I placed a order myself and have been using General from the local store. It seems like Pact and the Economy has taken many members in new directions over these past years.

[precious007]

What the hell does that mean though? How do you define "balance in the universe"? As far as we can tell, everything is balanced pretty well. And how does this make your soul blissfull? Is there a soul, and is it affected by how "balanced" the universe is? If

God and Universe are synonymous with one another in your definition, than why say God is Universe? Why not just say Universe?






Having been raised as a christian, I have read the bible numerous times, and even had the ability to hear everyones side of the story as I attended churches from several denominations. It's amazing how groups like the catholics read it in a totally different context than, say, the protestants.

I find the book fascinating only in that it is a document which mankind has guarded and passed on for so long. There are many myths and legends that have emerged throughout history, but it's kind of cool that this particular set of them was propogated so wide and far. Looking at the dead sea scrolls that were later discovered, it's cool to know that a lot of the old testament at least is still pretty much the same thing we read today as it was a thousand years ago. Kinda cool that a story has been kept alive so long, and considering how the bible was mainly ripped from earlier texts of different religions, it means that the story is even older than that.



As is probably clear in this thread, I don't believe in any traditional God, as in some external force who is coordinating all this. I think that, at best, the universe itself is an organism of some sort (though not sentient like a God would be), and that out of this whole thing came sentient beings (humans and any other aliens elsewhere) who were able to subjectively experience the universe (themselves) from within. Which is pretty cool really.

The problem I see so often is this idea of "We don't understand it yet, therefore God did it". This line of thinking hasn't served us very well over the years, and is consistently proven to be a very inacurate way of doing things.

Ok, lets say just Universe.

Everything might be balanced pretty well, but sometimes YOU might not be balanced that well (that's when your chakras are affected.

There is a soul just read my post from another thread - I've been experiencing quite a lot of things and I can say that YES there is a soul. (you are a soul in a material body).

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Ever since 2004 I've been lucid dreaming, astral projection, vivid dreaming, day dreaming, OBD and sleep paralysys.Today, before falling asleep (I rarely sleep during the day) I had experienced Hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucination - a rather common form of hallucination that also occurs even in healthy individuals, nevertheless it was quite disturbing.First off I was hallucinating that it was night (when this happened at 2 PM all the way, and I suddenly jumped off my bed and realized that it's 2 PM and daylight out side. Well, then I went back to sleep and now it started all over again, this time I right before falling asleep I was hearing Christmas Carols, that seemingly came out of nowhere. (I suddenly woke up again since I didn't know what's happening to me). The sound of the Carols was so clear, to be frank I've never heard such beautiful carols in my entire life.* The experience wasn't necessarily scary but definitely annoying.I decided to go back in bed and try to nap for an hour. As I was falling asleep, right before the moment I would fall asleep, this hand came out of the wall next to my bed and it was grabbing and punching me and I couldn't move a muscle and/or do anything about it. (I actually was experiencing the pain from the punching and grabbing) I was shocked, this time I decided to stay awake and started to research on Wikipedia and several other psychology forums to see what's going on with me.Seemingly, I was experiencing Hypnagogia.This definitely has a strong connection with Lyme Disease or an undiagnosed neurological disorder."""

Notice that the hallucination in hypnagogic state is not a normal hallucination it's a COMBO of visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive,thermoceptive and chronoceptive halluctions. In the hypnagogia most of the occurences are similar to sleep paralysis except that in sleep paralsys the soul actually detaches from the body and the hallucinations are either not present or not as intense.

[sgreger1]

In my opinion and I hold my position God is Universe. As long as you have a balance in the Universe your soul is in bliss.

What the hell does that mean though? How do you define "balance in the universe"? As far as we can tell, everything is balanced pretty well. And how does this make your soul blissfull? Is there a soul, and is it affected by how "balanced" the universe is? If

God and Universe are synonymous with one another in your definition, than why say God is Universe? Why not just say Universe?

By the way has anyone here tried to read the Bible? What was your experience?

Didn't you feel as if you're guilty or basically making you feel more depressed?

Having been raised as a christian, I have read the bible numerous times, and even had the ability to hear everyones side of the story as I attended churches from several denominations. It's amazing how groups like the catholics read it in a totally different context than, say, the protestants.

I find the book fascinating only in that it is a document which mankind has guarded and passed on for so long. There are many myths and legends that have emerged throughout history, but it's kind of cool that this particular set of them was propogated so wide and far. Looking at the dead sea scrolls that were later discovered, it's cool to know that a lot of the old testament at least is still pretty much the same thing we read today as it was a thousand years ago. Kinda cool that a story has been kept alive so long, and considering how the bible was mainly ripped from earlier texts of different religions, it means that the story is even older than that.



As is probably clear in this thread, I don't believe in any traditional God, as in some external force who is coordinating all this. I think that, at best, the universe itself is an organism of some sort (though not sentient like a God would be), and that out of this whole thing came sentient beings (humans and any other aliens elsewhere) who were able to subjectively experience the universe (themselves) from within. Which is pretty cool really.

The problem I see so often is this idea of "We don't understand it yet, therefore God did it". This line of thinking hasn't served us very well over the years, and is consistently proven to be a very inacurate way of doing things.

[precious007]

In my opinion and I hold my position God is Universe. As long as you have a balance in the Universe your soul is in bliss.

Existence of God

Main article: Existence of God
Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and co-author Leonard Mlodinow state in their book, 'The Grand Design' , that it is reasonable to ask who or what created the universe, but if the answer is God, then the question has merely been deflected to that of who created God. In this view it is accepted that some entity exists that needs no creator, and that entity is called God. This is known as the first-cause argument for the existence of God. Both authors claim however, that it is possible to answer these questions purely within the realm of science, and without invoking any divine beings.^[25]
Many arguments which attempt to prove or disprove the existence of God have been proposed by philosophers, theologians, and other thinkers for many centuries. In philosophical terminology, such arguments concern schools of thought on the epistemology of the ontology of God.^{[citation needed]}
There are many philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. Some definitions of God are sometimes nonspecific, while other definitions can be self-contradictory. Arguments for the existence of God typically include metaphysical, empirical, inductive, and subjective types, while others revolve around perceived holes in evolutionary theory and order and complexity in the world. Arguments against the existence of God typically include empirical, deductive, and inductive types. Conclusions reached include: "God does not exist" (strong atheism); "God almost certainly does not exist"^[26] (de facto atheism); "no one knows whether God exists" (agnosticism); "God exists, but this cannot be proven or disproven" (weak theism); and "God exists and this can be proven" (strong theism). There are numerous variations on these positions.^{[citation needed]}
Some theologians, such as the scientist and theologian A.E. McGrath, argue that the existence of God cannot be adjudicated on for or against by using scientific method.^[27][28]AgnosticStephen Jay Gould argues that science and religion are not in conflict and do not overlap.^{[citation needed]}

As for the existence I am not an atheist, I do believe that God represents everything that surrounds us.

If you want ... God and Universe and Synonyms.

As for the existence of a "superior power" referred to as God.......... the above texts clearly explains that THERE IS MORE RESEARCH NEEDED.

God referred to as in many religions has been created purely to manipulate the masses. (IMO)

I don't want to get into religion because it's only a human concept and nothing that has to something to do with the reality we live in.....

By the way has anyone here tried to read the Bible? What was your experience?

Didn't you feel as if you're guilty or basically making you feel more depressed?

[sgreger1]

It could

.... but GOD is the Universe

And Universe is GOD.

The mental state that shamans achieve in their practices allow them to connect with the Universe, while meditating (they achive "the pure state of our existence", where the is no thought of any sort. (that's when they connect with GOD/Universe)

^^ This theory above contradicts most religions where you have to think/pray endlessly to achieve bliss.

Religion in my opinion closed all horizons for people (it can even make you feel worthless and guilty)

It's one and the same thing, except that some people have created religions and beliefs that contradict this theory.

The religion says: believe and don't doubt (THIS IS THE MOST PARANOID AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, ABUSIVE AND DICTATORIAL saying in my opinion)

Beliving and not doubting would have led today to a world without science, medical research and so on.

So are you still religious?

If you say that god is the universe and that the universe is god than why not just pick one and stick with it? How about "The universe is the universe" lol. I just don't see how God plays into any of this.

[precious007]

Why would the universe being infinite mean that there is a God? Could not the universe be infinite without the need for a God of any sort?

It could

.... but GOD is the Universe

And Universe is GOD.

The mental state that shamans achieve in their practices allow them to connect with the Universe, while meditating (they achive "the pure state of our existence", where the is no thought of any sort. (that's when they connect with GOD/Universe)

^^ This theory above contradicts most religions where you have to think/pray endlessly to achieve bliss.

Religion in my opinion closed all horizons for people (it can even make you feel worthless and guilty)

It's one and the same thing, except that some people have created religions and beliefs that contradict this theory.

The religion says: believe and don't doubt (THIS IS THE MOST PARANOID AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, ABUSIVE AND DICTATORIAL saying in my opinion)

Beliving and not doubting would have led today to a world without science, medical research and so on.

So are you still religious?

[sgreger1]

I have a bunch of books that I've read about "aliens existence" but as we humans are rational beings how could we completely believe in their existence, when we clearly and believe so that no one has seen an alien alive? I mean a lot of strange things happen all over the world.... but most of the times the phenomena is sometimes explained by science... later on...

Just to get back to the idea, I have read an article on Creation.com that debates:

If God created the universe, then who created God?

http://creation.com/if-god-created-t...ho-created-god

Quite interesting.... conceptions.

I had this question since I was 3 or 4 ..... If everything on this planet ends sooner or later (even the glaciers and animal species) then where is the end of the Universe?

Q. And if there is an end to the Universe (I am referring to its size) .... what is after that "END"..... Guessing it's infinite .... but what is infinity?


The Universe is Infinite then that makes me believe that God is the Universe.

So God Created the Universe, just like Him "INFINITE".

Why would the universe being infinite mean that there is a God? Could not the universe be infinite without the need for a God of any sort?

[precious007]

I have a bunch of books that I've read about "aliens existence" but as we humans are rational beings how could we completely believe in their existence, when we clearly and believe so that no one has seen an alien alive? I mean a lot of strange things happen all over the world.... but most of the times the phenomena is sometimes explained by science... later on...

Just to get back to the idea, I have read an article on Creation.com that debates:

If God created the universe, then who created God?

http://creation.com/if-god-created-t...ho-created-god

Quite interesting.... conceptions.

I had this question since I was 3 or 4 ..... If everything on this planet ends sooner or later (even the glaciers and animal species) then where is the end of the Universe?

Q. And if there is an end to the Universe (I am referring to its size) .... what is after that "END"..... Guessing it's infinite .... but what is infinity?


The Universe is Infinite then that makes me believe that God is the Universe.

So God Created the Universe, just like Him "INFINITE".

[sgreger1]

TOM! Come visit us more often. You know we don't talk about snus anyways

[precious007]

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spacetime could appear out of nothingness as a result of a quantum transition. … Particles can appear out of nowhere without specific causation … Yet the world of quantum mechanics routinely produces something out of nothing

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[sgreger1]

I go by the view that we are the universe experiencing itself, simply.

Yah that is pretty much what I think at this point. I think the whole universe can be viewed as an organism itself, even if not necessarily sentient. It's amazing to think that out of the universe comes sentient life which can in turn look back at itself. Like you said, we are the universe experiencing itself when we look out to the stars. Baffling to think about.

[tom502]

Makes sense to me.

[sgreger1]

Because our universe has rulles , it has rulles which it follows , from chaos can not came up rulles throw bols on the flor chaoticly will they after bild something ? Never . So someone gave the starting point for his creation , then who was that who made that "guy" it is a quastion we will never know

* It did not come from chaos
* Entropy Increases

Again, there are ways of explaining where the rules came from. Namely the multiverse theory, wherein there are many universes (an infinite number), and eventually you get one with the specific rules that we observe here. Things were highly ordered at the beginning of the universe, and become less ordered over time, i.e. entropy. It appears as chaos but it is not.

Even if we don't have an answer for why things are the way they are, why does that automatically mean that a wizard did it? That some guy just created it all?

[precious007]

Thanks. Well, I haven't been using snus, so it seemed odd to still be a regular poster. I have many times thought about trying snus again... I'd look over the getsnus site... but then I'd think I don't think I'd like it anymore, and I don't think I wanna get back on it again... but that repeats at times. I wish I could just go to my corner gas station and pick up a can of General once in a while, as I'd do that, but I don't want to order a bunch, and if I got it and didn't like it anymore, one can would not be any big deal.

I too got tired of having to go through hassles of ordering snus online (it seems so stupid at times)

Like I'm buying cocaine or something, lol.

It also get more expensive by the day....

but I managed to get some "discounted" snus of off some members :^) in exchange

I wouldn't be able to spend 10 euros a can anyways, I'd end up paying 150 euros per month on snus alone "A fortune"