Did aliens or God create the human race?

[Snusdog]

TOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

Good to see ya mate....glad all is well and the band is still kicking.......I hope you will pop in more often

now as far as this debate goes

I believe aliens created Sgreger and precious..............but God made everyone else.................

[precious007]

Sleep paralysis is an REM sleep disorder, plain and simple. It happens to me all the time. There's nothing else to it -- and it certainly has nothing to do with Lyme Disease. When we are in deep REM sleep we are temporarily paralyzed. Some of us awake before this paralytic function is "turned off". Hence, the phenomenon at hand. Because we are in or in between a dream state, this may feel like a spiritual occurrence. Everything you perceive and experience is filtered through your mind. So whatever you can say happened to you, I can call bullshit on, because you were the one who perceived it, not me. That's taking it too far, I agree, but the point is that your mind can do fantastical things, especially in a dream state, and especially when REM sleep cycles are interrupted or permutated by phenomena such as sleep paralysis or hypnagogia. Whatever the case, sleep paralysis is to do with the Mind, not a "soul". After all, what's the difference? The soul is the mind that is somehow eternal? Nah, just because you want it to be doesn't mean it is. That's my take anyway.

Roo, you do have a good scientific point. (however I still want to believe there is a soul, in a form of energy in our body)

Lyme disease is much more complex than many people would think it is - there are just about 300 conditions that CAN be in fact lyme disease. Some people live with this infections for years and decades, they usually have neurological and psychiatric disorders, a series of musculoskeletal diseases (and in some cases heart disease) that they don't even know about. Usually as the illness progresses no doctor is able to make a differential diagnosis purely because this infectious illness is way too complex and can affect in the chronic stages pretty much all the organs. I was particularly mentioning that sleep paralysis can be related to Lyme disease because it is a neurological disorder and Lyme specifically affects the nervous system in the second and third stage.

Recent research has demonstrated that in many Lyme patients the complications can be quite variate (in the later stages of the disease) and most of the times they can have an autoimune disease without a known cause. (that's when you'd suspect Lyme disease - just a few example would be MS, Chron's, Fybromialgia).

Here's a list of 300 diseases that CAN be Lyme Disease - http://www.lyme.ws/300-health-condit...-lyme-disease/

Al.

[precious007]

Hey sgreg,

Told, you I am on with your on the chakras.

But I still do believe the soul exists even if science hasn't been able to bring a solid proof yet. (no it doesn't have eyes and it can't see, scientifically speaking, but there's more in this world than just material (science). Some people even put LOVE into discussion as a sentiment on a few boards, and some say that love is in fact just a reproduction instinct in humans just as in animals.

I am a lot on the scientific side of things, but I DO believe there is a soul, a radiating aura that surrounds your body (the invisible energy that flows through your body) that is what makes up your soul. Once your body dies, this energy remains in the Universe (at least this is a concept I've believed to be true).

Some say that in OBD and sleep paralysis the souls leaves the body but it's still connected through and energetic "like wire" (a conception) that is why you are able to see things from above.

As I said, there is just much more that science hasn't been able to demonstrate yet. (or as in the medical field, many know the answer to so many questions, but they don't want to reveal the truth to the general public, purely because they have financial interests for their innovations and findings).

[Roo]

Sleep paralysis is an REM sleep disorder, plain and simple. It happens to me all the time. There's nothing else to it -- and it certainly has nothing to do with Lyme Disease. When we are in deep REM sleep we are temporarily paralyzed. Some of us awake before this paralytic function is "turned off". Hence, the phenomenon at hand. Because we are in or in between a dream state, this may feel like a spiritual occurrence. Everything you perceive and experience is filtered through your mind. So whatever you can say happened to you, I can call bullshit on, because you were the one who perceived it, not me. That's taking it too far, I agree, but the point is that your mind can do fantastical things, especially in a dream state, and especially when REM sleep cycles are interrupted or permutated by phenomena such as sleep paralysis or hypnagogia. Whatever the case, sleep paralysis is to do with the Mind, not a "soul". After all, what's the difference? The soul is the mind that is somehow eternal? Nah, just because you want it to be doesn't mean it is. That's my take anyway.

[Ansel]

It's a Dutch auction.

[wa3zrm]

Oh for sure, me too. I only charge $45 though so hit me up on PM and I will heal your chakras from a distance (i'm a distance healer). Paypal only.

I'll do it for $25!

[Ansel]

This is what I think also.

me too :-)

[heders]

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?



Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao

No, aliens are not tricking you and playing with your mind when you experience a sleep paralysis. lol

And no, a sleep paralysis is not a proof that a soul exists. What is a soul? Astral projection, OBE etc. are just a trick by the mind. That stuff is pretty cool to experience, but just caused by a confused mind - kind of like depersonalization that can cause you to feel you're outside of your body during stress.

[AtreyuKun]

Sgreger vs Precious
round 2!
Fight!

[Randall]

Here what i am sure of , God does not created the Human but God ( the guy who we call God) created the beginning of everything the that started to go his natural way like a clock with out ending where whatch master created the watch but how it goes he does not care ....

This is what I think also.

[sgreger1]

Precious i can get your chakras realligned for £50 if you like. Let me know.

Oh for sure, me too. I only charge $45 though so hit me up on PM and I will heal your chakras from a distance (i'm a distance healer). Paypal only.

[sgreger1]

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?



Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao

I am most certainly not speaking nonsense. He who speaks of chakras and souls is the one speaking nonsense.

And I know sleep paralysis isn't a halucination, but the experience you were describing was a hypnagogic halucination (by your own definition).
Sleep paralysis is a neurological issue which I myself had for a long time. It's more like dreams but you are awake to experience them and paralysed kind of thing. It most certainly IS NOT your soul leaving your body. That is junk nonsense and I don't care what "specialist" you saw that told you that, it is completely explainable as neurological issue and does not in any way have anything to do with a soul leaving your body. That is complete batshit nonsense to put it lightly.

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

Oh okay I thought you were having all of these regularly, what a trip that must be, even if only a few dozen times! I've had sleep paralysis lots of times, but not many of the other ones you listed. That must be insane to have a halucination where you feel pain and stuff, sounds very scary. (still not rpoof of a soul though)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

They have recreated these experiences in a lab many times, it's a trick, an illusion, not a soul. If you did have a soul, and if it did leave your body, you would lack the visual ability to see things like a normal human does (as the soul has no eyes, brain etc). So the fact that you are seeing yourself from across the room or whatever is proof positive that it was not actually a soul who moved over to the other end of the room and looked back on it's body. A soul would, due to it's inherent lack of physical counterparts, not be able to see in regular human vision.

You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

I have clearly done more research than you, because had you actually done any level f research you would have noted that these phenomena have been studied in a controlled environment and have perfectly rational explanations to them, none of which include the existance of a soul.

The fact that you believe in a soul (more specifically, one who would see the world through human eyes if detached from the body), and chakras etc tells me you have not done any level of research on the subject outside of romanian conspiracy websites.


The "foreign entity" thing has also been studied. In fact, by teasing a certain part of the brain, scientists can make you believe there is someone standing next to you or behind you, they can create this "presence" by stimulating the part of the brain responsible for such things. It's not magic or aliens or souls or ghosts and goblins, it is your amazing brain which is capable of tricking you into seeing things that are not there.

[Ansel]

Precious i can get your chakras realligned for £50 if you like. Let me know.

[Ansel]

Humans created God and aliens created humans. Er, or was it humans created aliens and god created snus. Heck, i don't know - it was something like that. Why you humans so fussed about details. Hell.

[precious007]

Chakras do not exist. I agree about being balanced though, meditation is good to accomplish that. There is the mind, and then there is the mind that thinks about the fact that the mind is thinking. Gotta quiet the mind and exist more in the part that quietly observes your thoughts without creating any chatter itself. Very meta




None of what you are experiencing is proof of a soul. You are experiencing various halucinations. On a side note, why in the hell are you having all of these things at once? Its common for anyone to experience one or two of these in their life, but to consistently have all of that going on must be pretty crazy for you!

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Umm, sleep paralysis does not occur due to the "soul leaving the body", that is complete nonsese. What you described is (in your own words) a halucination, a very specific type of halcuination. This all has nothing to do with a soul, and certainly is not proof of a soul.

Were you under the impression that sleep paralysis results from the soul leaving your body? Romania is crazy man. I may have to start my signature list of famous quotes from Precious again

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?

Hypnagogia and Sleep Paralysis

The hypnagogic state can also play a rather distressing role in sleep paralysis. While many WILD lucid dreams involve passing through sleep paralysis briefly and uneventfully, some people suffer from prolonged sleep paralysis against their will. In some cases, the fear of being unable to move, paired with complex hypnagogia (or hypnopompia), results in terrifying hallucinations.

The most common experience involves a foreign entity - a stranger, intruder, or even aliens - entering the room and putting pressure on the chest. All this happens while the sufferer is completely paralyzed (with the exception of the eyes, mouth and maybe fingertips). Frequent episodes are rare, but do happen, and are mostly associated with sufferers of narcolepsy or other sleep disorders, such as sleep terrors or even sleep apnea.

Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao