Did aliens or God create the human race?

[sgreger1]

sgreg- well, we also have to consider the interconnectedness of everything, and the laws of cause and effect, and all actions have reactions. This to me, is why I accept transmigration, or reincarnation. It's like a spiritual evolution of the consciousness. We witness this in our own lives, as we evolve in consciousness. And so, nothing just stops, or disappears, but it's continuous, and based on the karma(actions) be have made in this life, and before this life, which, along with our developed degree of consciousness determines our next manifestation after the current body is no longer animated.

I see the interconnectedness of all things, cause and effect, and the all the rest, but to me I don't see how any of this would allow for reincarnation. Yes the energy is recycled, but it is not done so in the sense that one human dies = their energy is then recycled into a new human. If that were the case, it would require some sort of intelligent force that specifically coordinated this process. I think humans are like ants in the sense that it doesn't matter so much what the individual ants do, but rather what they accomplish in aggregate. So in this sense, karma has some way of transfering on because if everyone had more of a "pay it forward" attitude than we as a species would accomplish more than we already have. But I just don't see how reincarnation would work because how does the "essence" of the person who dies get recycled into another human?

And more importantly, how do you account for the fact that the population increases exponentially, where do all the extra souls/essences come from, or where were they hiding when there were only 10k people on earth as opposed to several billion?

It took 2 million years for us to reach a population of 7 billion, the next 3 billion will be here in 50 years. Where do all the souls come from if the ones who die are reincarnated into the ones being born?

[Roo]

Howdy stranger, despite our past barbs exchanged here and another place, I must admit you were missed...

Ken

You are totally missed Tom, good to see you. I liked your post about Vedism.

[devilock76]

Hi Ken.

Howdy stranger, despite our past barbs exchanged here and another place, I must admit you were missed...

Ken

[heders]

[tom502]

sgreg- well, we also have to consider the interconnectedness of everything, and the laws of cause and effect, and all actions have reactions. This to me, is why I accept transmigration, or reincarnation. It's like a spiritual evolution of the consciousness. We witness this in our own lives, as we evolve in consciousness. And so, nothing just stops, or disappears, but it's continuous, and based on the karma(actions) be have made in this life, and before this life, which, along with our developed degree of consciousness determines our next manifestation after the current body is no longer animated.


Hi Ken.

[devilock76]

Epic status guaranteed. This thread brought Tom back...

Ken

[sgreger1]

It simply says that everything is God, or the Absolute, everything is One, in the sense that everything is of the same "stuff", but takes on forms, but these forms are "maya", which means "that which is not" in that they are not real, at best transitory, as the real essence is non-material and eternal.

Beautifull. That is exactly my take, and why I have always had a special place in my heart for many Buddhist and East Indian ways of thinking/Philosophy. I love the way they describe the universe as all made of the same stuff, and how we are just temporary redistributions of that stuff. It's sort of like how the waves of the ocean are all distinct from one another but ultimately are all part of the same ocean, and the wave's respective size or signature is transatory and will soon change forms back into the ocean, where it will then emerge in a different shape but remain made of the same basic thing as it always was.

Energy changes wavelengths and vibrations and takes many different forms, but the system is a closed system with nothing created or lost. Therefore all energy of every form is recycled. This doesn't mean our minds lives on after death like the buddhists believe (in my opinion anyways), but we must realize that we aren't our minds anyways. We take on these bodies for a short time and the minds we have are part of the body, it is lost once the body is lost, it is the energy that orriginally constituted us that goes on, but it has no thoughts or memories or humans concepts attached to it, it's just energy.

[sgreger1]

If you state something about medical research you ought to come up with valid proof otherwise it's considered false.

Oh the irony is thick. Precious, do you not see that that was my exact point in regards to the aura/soul thing? That if you state something about a medical issue (sleep paralysis), you had better have proof otherwise it's false. There is a mountian of proof that sleep paralysis and the like are just your body still remaining paralyzed when you sleep but you waking up a bit early. There is no evidence for a soul/aura etc. So it is false for you to say any of your "proofs" of a soul are proofs of anything.

[sgreger1]

Hey sgreg,

Told, you I am on with your on the chakras.

But I still do believe the soul exists even if science hasn't been able to bring a solid proof yet. (no it doesn't have eyes and it can't see, scientifically speaking, but there's more in this world than just material (science). Some people even put LOVE into discussion as a sentiment on a few boards, and some say that love is in fact just a reproduction instinct in humans just as in animals.

I am a lot on the scientific side of things, but I DO believe there is a soul, a radiating aura that surrounds your body (the invisible energy that flows through your body) that is what makes up your soul. Once your body dies, this energy remains in the Universe (at least this is a concept I've believed to be true).

Some say that in OBD and sleep paralysis the souls leaves the body but it's still connected through and energetic "like wire" (a conception) that is why you are able to see things from above.

As I said, there is just much more that science hasn't been able to demonstrate yet. (or as in the medical field, many know the answer to so many questions, but they don't want to reveal the truth to the general public, purely because they have financial interests for their innovations and findings).

Precious, you are entitled to your beliefs, I guess I am just trying to find out why you would believe something for which no evidence exists, and is something that has been repeatedly disproven? I mean if we have a simple explanation for why you have halucinations while in a sleep state, why would you automatically assume that it's really some magic eternal energy that allows our "soul" to float above us. You can't just say that science hasn't figured it out yet, science only makes claims about what it can or can't prove. You are saying something exists, with no proof, other than your personal subjective experience which as we all know is not realiable, the human mind is built around tricking the operator so you can't trust it all the time. Even if halucinations look real, realize that they are not.

[BadAxe]

I don't understand when poeple say "Religion is man made, but god is real"? Where does this come from? god is as man made as religion is, and there has never been one little tiny piece of evidence of any god existing. I can't believe when people look back at history, and see all of the different gods that have been worshiped, how each god fits each culture, and yet still proclaim to know god is real, and even better, that everyone else's gods are not real, but theirs is the real one.

When will man just catch up to the present and realize god was an answer when there were no answers, and that the blanket answers that keep people ignorant (God has a plan, faith, free will) are just people making up answers so they can say they have an answer. None of those "answers" make a bit of sense. I was raised Catholic, but realized when i could think for myself how ridiculous the notion of the invisible man watching us actually is, and that there are scientific answers for things now that used to be answered with "god". We will be so much better a people if we could ever just eradicate religion and the notion of god. Spirituality I believe ties in with our connection to our planet, not to any god, or supreme creator. The belief in god just holds human beings back, and keeps us ignorant, and not seeking true answers. But people will still to this day, die to hold on to that ignornance. I just can't believe pople would rather live in the world we live in, and hang on to the ignorant beliefs in god, rather than evolving as a species by coming to gether as a species, and making this planet something much better than it is.

[tom502]

Hi truthwolf and snusdog.... and all.

On the topic I am mostly influenced by Eastern spiritual philosophy, probably Advaita Vedanta mostly, which is a monistic view, popularized by Shankara. Advaita means "not two", and Vedanta means "conclusion of wisdom". It simply says that everything is God, or the Absolute, everything is One, in the sense that everything is of the same "stuff", but takes on forms, but these forms are "maya", which means "that which is not" in that they are not real, at best transitory, as the real essence is non-material and eternal. This is backed by science too, as we know everything is made of eternal energy, and nothing is ever added or subtracted, just rearranged. Yes we are often stuck with the word "God", as that's what's popular, but it can be called anything, like Brahman. In the Bhagavad Gita, the approach to "God" is through Self realization through the Atman, or Jiva, or "soul" realization, or centralizing the all pervasive aspect into a diety, which represents the all pervasive but allows humans to form a connection with, this is called Bhagavan, in the Sanatan Dharma approach that's like Krishna, or Vishnu, Shankara's system used 8 forms, if memory serves, but it is also unlimited, these are also often used in Bhakti Yoga, and the dvaita of dualist paths, such as Ramanuja, or Chaitainya, then the formless aspect called Brahman, which the sages seeks immersion of identity with, realizing a Nirvakalpa Samhadi, not sure I spelled that right, but like a Nirvana enlightenment. It is our own subjective consciousness that is the symptom of our soul or God in us as us, that is not the body or mind, which is maya. I'd recommend reading the Bhagavad Gita, it's not long, and to me, it makes logical sense, the ancient Indian people really put a lot of effort into being philosophically sound, with various schools debating each other and all.

[Roo]

Sorry Precious I was not trying to attack you and it did come across that way. My apologies. I just don't understand why the subject of any peculiar phenomena leads to you posting links about Lyme Disease. This is not the first time. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Peace.

Edit: I was also genuinely and inappropriately attempting to give you what I think is sound advice. If you spent as much time and effort believing you are without Lyme disease it might have a positive impact on your health. Since currently there is no way for you to get a positive diagnosis due to the tests being out of reach financially, I just thought some positive thinking might help. Never mind though. Not my place. Cheers.

[precious007]

Sorry brother but I find that link to stink badly of horse shit. Name 1 condition, without looking at the list again, that is NOT on the list. All those things could be a sign of lyme disease? I don't mean offense here but if you asked my opinion, which you didn't I realize, my honest and heartfelt advice to you would be to strongly consider the distinct possibility that you do Not have Lyme disease. I don't know you nor should I be judging your medical/mental state, but from what you have told us over time on this forum, I think this is a valid point: if you don't, you are guaranteed to convince yourself that you have Lyme disease. I think it would be far more productive to expend as much energy convincing yourself that you do not have Lyme disease.

The topic of your Lyme disease comes up in a lot of threads btw. What's up with that.

Pardon me? Where did the Lyme Disease subject come up in so many threads?

Roo, I have numerous tests done at the moment I do have a diagnosis. So consider keeping your "non-sense" for yourself.

If you state something about medical research you ought to come up with valid proof otherwise it's considered false.

In numerous clinical trials, patients with Lyme Disease have been diagnosed with one or more of the conditions listed on that list. (there is a possibility of being Lyme Disease is different from "It is Lyme Disease".

It would take me ages to come up with proof and links to clinical trials - and I'm definitely not going to spend my energy convincing you, it's not my point here. But when it comes to Lyme Disease believe me I am in the position to speak, I believe you are not.

Attacking personas on forums and negative vibes from I am fed up with it and I will just ignore you

Thank you

[Roo]

Here's a list of 300 diseases that CAN be Lyme Disease - http://www.lyme.ws/300-health-condit...-lyme-disease/

Al.

Sorry brother but I find that link to stink badly of horse shit. Name 1 condition, without looking at the list again, that is NOT on the list. All those things could be a sign of lyme disease? I don't mean offense here but if you asked my opinion, which you didn't I realize, my honest and heartfelt advice to you would be to strongly consider the distinct possibility that you do Not have Lyme disease. I don't know you nor should I be judging your medical/mental state, but from what you have told us over time on this forum, I think this is a valid point: if you don't, you are guaranteed to convince yourself that you have Lyme disease. I think it would be far more productive to expend as much energy convincing yourself that you do not have Lyme disease.

The topic of your Lyme disease comes up in a lot of threads btw. What's up with that.

[precious007]

TOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

Good to see ya mate....glad all is well and the band is still kicking.......I hope you will pop in more often

now as far as this debate goes

I believe aliens created Sgreger and precious..............but God made everyone else.................

yes but we're good aliens

Lmao