Did aliens or God create the human race?

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Well maybe , but there is a theory that everything will desapear about 13 billion years from now , univers might have age might be not , we might be molecul of the some kind of organism, our solar system looks like molecul, atom ( sun) and planets ( elektrones) this is Reserford Teory not main but when I was 13 years of age , I was leing in the balcony and looking in the stars and that idea hited me , next day I asked my Teacher and she told me where did you read about it I said I have just thought about it never read it anywhere , she told me it is Reserford theory,

[sgreger1]

Just to drag Roo into this thread, I will mention that even wilder possibilities are possible. It is possible that at some point in time, humans gets computers fast big enough to be able to simulate the process of evolution itself, and use that to simulate their world from start to finish (for science!). So they start the simulation and the big bang happens, it runs its course etc and eventually humans come into being (in the simulation). That could be us, the simulations, living in a virtual simulation of a larger "real" world that is merely being simulated so that it can be studied in finer detail. But if such a thing were possible, than eventually the simulations themselves would advance to the point where they were able to simulate evolution and began constructing similar computers which would then simulate another world, withing the simulation that was already occuring in the original world. Like a virtual machine. Considering such computers would run on fast-forward (since we don't have time to wait 10 billion years for the simulation to run it's course, it could be that each simulated universe eventually gets to a point where it simulates another, who then simulates another, etc etc. In a scenario like this, and given so many simulations within simulations, the odds of us being the 1 humans who are living in the "real" world are very slim, and there's a 99% chance that we are living in on of the many simulations.

So maybe this all was created, maybe we all live in a simulation that future humans are running to study evolution. But then, who created them? Again all of these are just circular theories and not much more than food for thought.

[sgreger1]

I can agree with you on every word you wrote, but one thing does not let me be ok ... What created the universe or universes from where the materia came in that case , why we not even a microbes in unevers level can ask us this difficulty quastions, is it brain we have is mini "something " which Created everything, or I am out and fishing

Not entirely clear on your question, but essentially the way to think of it is like this: You have to break out of the human way on thinking about things. Time (linear time especially), don't have to play into this really. Just think "the universe has always existed, and will always exist, there was no begining and there will be no end". The alpha and omega, is that makes more sense. The universe is the word we use to describe everything that exists, therefore nothing escapes this definition. If it exists, than it is part of the universe. The universe was not created, and did not "start" or get "created" at any time, it just always has been and always will be. Kind of like how people imagine God is. But then the question is, if there was a god, who created him? It's really a circular question, and it best answered by "the universe always existed and had no starting point". (

I am tlaking about the larger term "Universe", as in; everything that exists. Our local universe started with the big bang, or it may have always existed and just goes through cycles of bang and bust over and over into infinity. The universe itself exists outside of time, it is immortal. Shit like that.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

You are assuming that there was a "who" who created these things, which isn't necessarily the case. The current theory is that there are an infinite nuber of universes, each with different properties, and given this fact eventually one would end up with the type of conditions we see in this universe. We may have just been at the right place at the right time. A trillion other universes could have come into existence and fizzled out, while ours had just what is necessary for life to begin. As for what started the big bang, there are many theories on that, ranging from black holes in a larger parent universe created our big bang, all the way to things like the expand/collapse hypothesis of string theory where the universe has always existed and just expands and the collapses back onto itself, then explodes in a big bang and does it all over again. Too early to tell I suppose.

I can agree with you on every word you wrote, but one thing does not let me be ok ... What created the universe or universes from where the materia came in that case , why we not even a microbes in unevers level can ask us this difficulty quastions, is it brain we have is mini "something " which Created everything, or I am out and fishing

[sgreger1]

There is a reason natual selection could work differently. I biological level symbionic dependency where the one cannot flourish without the others flourishing. There are minor examples on this planet but imagine a planet where that is the prime existence between the most dominant species. That would be a reason for it to work differently.

Ken

True, but it just seems like such an organism would not ever obtain sentience or the ability to build spaceships to get here. The mere fact that they would want to build spaceships and travel to distant lands hints at them being the type that are looking for something. I think technology can be kind of linear, you can't invent x before y, so by the time they got to spaceships I imagine weapons have already been created. I guess it's all just a thought experiment though, but all we have to go on is what we know on earth, which points towards them fighting and having weapons.

[sgreger1]

Do not think that God created a humans , but aliens .... Here is the problem ... Who created Alians, from chaos they heve been created no way, another Alians ??? Maybe ... Then who created those other Alians ???? To make long story short big bang created everything .... Again problem , who crated that what exploded in suche way ???? No one know, and will never know, sorry for this

You are assuming that there was a "who" who created these things, which isn't necessarily the case. The current theory is that there are an infinite number of universes, each with different properties, and given this fact eventually one would end up with the type of conditions we see in this universe. We may have just been at the right place at the right time. A trillion other universes could have come into existence and fizzled out, while ours had just what is necessary for life to begin. As for what started the big bang, there are many theories on that, ranging from black holes in a larger parent universe created our big bang, all the way to things like the expand/collapse hypothesis of string theory where the universe has always existed and just expands and the collapses back onto itself, then explodes in a big bang and does it all over again. Too early to tell I suppose.

[devilock76]

There is a reason natual selection could work differently. I biological level symbionic dependency where the one cannot flourish without the others flourishing. There are minor examples on this planet but imagine a planet where that is the prime existence between the most dominant species. That would be a reason for it to work differently.

Ken

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Do not think that God created a humans , but aliens .... Here is the problem ... Who created Alians, from chaos they heve been created no way, another Alians ??? Maybe ... Then who created those other Alians ???? To make long story short big bang created everything .... Again problem , who crated that what exploded in suche way ???? No one know, and will never know, sorry for this

[sgreger1]

Human's created god. I'm neither religious, not spiritual.
Love and peace, and all are one bullshit? Nah. No thanks. I mean, I'm all about love and peace. Peace as in not fighting; love as in not outright hate, but you can't have one without the other. That's why I don't believe in heaven or hell or the like: everlasting anything is impossible.

As the buddhists would say, "All things are transient in nature", or in other words nothing last forever.

[AtreyuKun]

Human's created god. I'm neither religious, not spiritual.
Love and peace, and all are one bullshit? Nah. No thanks. I mean, I'm all about love and peace. Peace as in not fighting; love as in not outright hate, but you can't have one without the other. That's why I don't believe in heaven or hell or the like: everlasting anything is impossible.

[sgreger1]

The bottom line is that, most people pray to God, but don't actually feel IT's presence - God is within US, within the Universe, god is love.

You're a religious person because you've been trapped to believe some dogmatic stories that were purely made up with a purpose :^) centuries back

You mean the dogmatic stories that there is a God, right?

The bottom line is that, 5k years ago, everyone prayed to the sun God. Do you believe this is evidence that a sun God exists? Where did he go when people stopped praying to him? Where did the Roman God's go after people stopped praying to them? Where will the christian God go when people stop praying to hi? You see, they never existed, Athena, Zeus, Ra, Isis, Allah, God, none of these are real things, so they cease to exist once people stop believing in them. Sort of like the eater bunny.

I'm with mdisch on this one, while I would love to believe in a God, there is significant evidence that this can all be explained without the need for some kind of foreign God to have started the process. I also agree with what Truthwolf was saying in that I think nature is more "intelligent" than we currently give it credit for. Not intelligent like a sapient being or a God, but it appears that the universe itself is an organism of it's own kind, ticking like a clock and following a certain method which is fiendishly complex and more astoundingly; it works. The only real explanation for this in my mind is that we live in a multiverse, where every possible outcome is expressed eventually in one of the universes. Eventually, a universe like ours would come into existence with just the right attributes to support things like life, the laws of phsyics etc. So either we are part of a very special universe that hit a certain sweet spot, or there is something else going on. Probably not a God though, that seems like sort of a cop out to just say "A wizard did it".

[sgreger1]

This may be a little off topic but most people talk about alien invasions when the alien topic comes up. They have the notion that aliens will come down with this high powered weaponry and have the ability to enslave us but has anyone ever though that if aliens did exist maybe they wouldnt have weapons? I mean, we have electricity because some dumbass strapped a key to a kite, a lot of modern technology we create is because ONE person had an idea and followed it through? Would aliens fight, or have wars? I'm not a hippie its just a serious question.

I think it would be exceedingly unlikely that they wouldn't have weapons or fight. Nature is a process of competition, and most selection is about surviving, which means protecting yourself and learning how to chase down and kill whatever it is you need to eat. All of these are the basis for fighting and once technology is introduced, weapons. Once intelligence starts having any part in it, you notice that the creatures get better at securing resources for themselves, and in a system of limited resources this usually means taking it from someone else. It's the same reason why we see monkeys establishing tribes and going to war with other tribes, and why humans fought since before there was even a written record of events. It seems that competition, fighting, etc is just inherently part of the selection process.

Humans needed weapons to hunt animals, but like many tools, they could also be used for protection or to kill and take something from someone else. If aliens have any level of technology, than they will have weapons.

I couldn't see any possible reality wherein aliens did not fight or have knowledge of weapons. There is no reason to believe natural selection would work any differents on an alien planet than it does here. It's like the laws of physics, I think it's a constant throughout space.


I think the reality is that life from somewhere that distant may not resemble what we identify as life. There is a good chance that we wouldn't even notice it if you did see it.


For example, in the early 1900's we discovered what a virus was. Humanity already had automobiles, but did not know about the life form known as a virus, even though it makes up 90% of the planet's genetic information (i.e., it is the most prevalent form of life on earth). Nowadays we know about bacteria, virii, and can even read the genetic information off of a swab of spit or human tissue and tell you what is living on it.
There was a TED talk about this that goes into more detail, but essentially the issue right now is that if you take a swab from (let's say) your nose, you could look at the genetic information and identify which parts were bacteria, which were virii, which were human genetic information etc, but about 25% of it is some form of life that is still yet unknown to us. It is referred to as biological dark matter. That means that just like how 100 years ago we didn't know what a virus was, despite the fact that it makes up roughly 90% of the entire planet's genetic material, today there is something similar which exists but we don't know what it is. It's not a virus, and it's not bacteria, it is some other life form that makes up a BIG portion of the genetic material. For example while it's only 25% in your nose, in your stomach it makes up a whopping 40% of the genetic information. There is an unknown form of life, in your stomach, that makes up 40% of it and we have no idea what form of life it is, only that it is life.

Think about that for a minute. We havn't even cracked all the eggs on earth yet, we don't even know about all life on our own planet and can't readily identify small creatures living in our own bodies. There is a very real chance that alien life may be similarly undetectable.

[sgreger1]

God = Love = Universe

So I do believe that God created the human race.

Religion is a doctrine created by humans.

How did "love" create the universe? And how is god = "love"? These are all human concepts, how do you suppose human concepts created the universe billions of years prior to the existence of said humans?

[precious007]

The bottom line is that, most people pray to God, but don't actually feel IT's presence - God is within US, within the Universe, god is love.

You're a religious person because you've been trapped to believe some dogmatic stories that were purely made up with a purpose :^) centuries back

[truthwolf1]

I watched the film Nature Of Existence (2010) last night.

They did not go into Alien DNA manipulation but did talks with somebody from all the major religions and some cult/guru characters on what is the purpose of life. If I had to identify my own beliefs I guess I leaned more towards Paganism and spiritualism which they discussed. I think nature is a force that is quite possibly more intelligent then we currently take it for. Spiritual because I do not believe everything can be wrapped up in a religious book or in a scientific theory. As humans I believe we are still growing and learning.

From WIKI.
Spiritual But Not Religious (SBNR) is a popular phrase and acronym^[1] used to self-identify a life stance of spirituality that rejects traditional organized religion as the sole or most valuable means of furthering spiritual growth.^[2] The term is used world-wide, but seems most prominent in the United States where one study reports that as many as 33% of people identify as spiritual but not religious.^[3] Other surveys report lower percentages ranging from 24%^[4]-10%^[5]
Those that identify as SBNR vary in their individual spiritual philosophies and practices and theological references. While most SBNR people reference some higher power ortranscendent nature of reality, it is common for SBNR people to differ in their ideas of the existence of God as defined by the Abrahamic religions. SBNR is commonly used^[6][7] to describe the demographic also known as unchurched, none of the above, spiritual atheists, more spiritual than religious, spiritually eclectic, unaffiliated, freethinkers, or spiritual seekers. Younger people are more likely to identify as SBNR than older people. In April 2010, the front page of USA Today claimed that 72% percent of Generation Y agree they are "more spiritual than religious".^[6]