Is trump a birther?

[sgreger1]

Barack Obama was not born in the United States. You see, his parents knew he would become president one day, so they forged a birth certificate and sent false information to a Hawaiian newspaper to con everyone. It was all a conspiracy.

Exactly!

Pulling this off would be harder than 9-11. He would have had to have planned it prior to being born. His parents would have had to plan this out 50 years ago, it's just not realistic.

And frankly I don't think there should be a requirement that you were born here, only a requirement that you lived here for most of your life to the point where you understand what being american means. We can't be "the nation of immegrant" and then only allow "pure blood" americans to participate in public office. I think the whole thing is archaic and has no place in the modern way of doing things.


Roo wasn't born here, he can't be president, do we want to be excluding good americans from being able to run? I do not.

[sgreger1]

The anti-birthers are always playing the race card, yet I think they do this because they deep down also wonder if he was really born in the US, but they feel they have to try and discredit those that wonder aloud. I do not believe race is an issue in this at all, because if Colin Powell was the president, no one would have ever questioned this. Obama does get questioned because he did grow up in Indonesia, has an African father, and his funny name doesn't help, and there are many that don't like his radical left wing upbringing(though he's obviously just another capitalist imperialist politicain now). And rumors that his grandmother said he was not born here(in the US). So, it's not his race, because if someone like Powell was president, or even, gag, Al Sharpton, no one would be questioning their residence of birth.

Tom I don't mean to be the abnoxious race-baiter guy here, but truly I dont' see why the birth certificate is in question. I want to see this man destroyed as much as the next guy, but there is just no evidence behind these claims. Do you recall hearing people ask for Bush's birth certificate? No, because tehy assumed that he must be american enough ebacuse he was white and what we are used to seeing. It's not necessarily racist, but I think people are "more inclined" to believe that he is a foreigner due to his skin color. That's all i'm saying. I too lend some credibility to the conspiracy about his past, but I can't pretend that most of this isn't becasue he's black. There are legitimate questions and where there are legitimate question there should be legitimate answers, but I don't think there is much legitimacy to the birth certificate thing. We've never asked pervious presidents to provide even what he has ALREADY PROVIDED, so by historical standards he has already gone out of his way to address those claiming he's not american. I think he has satisfied it about as much as he can and I don't think anything will come of this ebcause, again, forgin a birth certificate si easy so he could easily produce a fake one and no one would know. He has no reason to eb hiding anything, which is why he is not.

[jagmanss]

Barack Obama was not born in the United States. You see, his parents knew he would become president one day, so they forged a birth certificate and sent false information to a Hawaiian newspaper to con everyone. It was all a conspiracy.

Exactly!

Pulling this off would be harder than 9-11. He would have had to have planned it prior to being born. His parents would have had to plan this out 50 years ago, it's just not realistic.

I'll bet he has had 666 under his hair on his head since birth.... So it was planned prior to being born There's your answer to it all... Mystery solved

[tom502]

[StuKlu]

The fact of the matter is that the official long form birth certificate, that most of us lowly subjects need in order to get a driver's license, passport, etc., has never been made public. This most transparent presidency in history is just the opposite - opaque.

[tom502]

He's hiding something.

[sgreger1]

The fact of the matter is that the official long form birth certificate, that most of us lowly subjects need in order to get a driver's license, passport, etc., has never been made public. This most transparent presidency in history is just the opposite - opaque.

Please show me some other presidents who have voluntarily made their long-form birth certificates available to the public. And don't say that "no on has ever been asked for it from them" because that just aproves the point.


I think the guy has a shiesty past and has a lot to hide, but not sure we can make the stretch to "he was born in africa" without a little more evidence.

[StuKlu]

sgreger, I am pretty sure that other president's birth records are available to the public. Do you remember there was a big fuss about John McCain's eligiblility because he was born in the Panama Canal region? - it went to court in order to ascertain whether or not he was constitutionally eligible to run for president.

I am not saying he was born in Africa, but there is something being hidden and it's being hidden for a reason.
Additionally, he has refused to release school documents, college records, health reports, travel and passport records, etc.
Where there's smoke there's fire. Something doesn't add up and I am pretty sure that we have a constitutionally ineligible president serving right now. This isn't going away and don't be surprised if he doesn't run for reelection. (fingers crossed)

[sgreger1]

Was there ever any question on any of the others?

Most presidents come from the well known "elite". Asking GWB for his birth certificate would be goofy. Lincoln? Kennedy? Carter? Clinton? (insert list of other 30+ presidents here)

But why is there question of Obama's? That's the question. People are demanding something from him that no one has ever asked from a president before.
We've never enforced the requirement that the prez must show his certificate, we cannot selectively enforce it on the only black guy. That is clear discrimination, is it not? For nearly 300 years we never asked once, and then the first time a black dude comes around we assume he was born in Kenya? Jesus man, cummon.


I agree with everyone else, he was a nobody from nowhere that suddenly became leader of the free world, that is suspicious. He had almost no followers and no one took him seriously until he burst onto the scene in 2008 randomly with ALL the major players (and money) behind him. Once he's elected he brings in a cabinet of careered criminals which were probbaly part of the deal (We get you elected, you choose our guys for your cabinet).


But none of thise ilicits the response he is getting about "show us the birth certificate or else you were born in kenya!". I mean if nothing else it's just the wrong way of going about it.

[tom502]

Obama is questioned because of his past, not his color. He has an African father and was raised in Indonesia, and he does appear to be hiding something. If Colin Powell, or Al Sharpton was President, no one would question their birth place.

[StuKlu]

Obama is questioned because of his past, not his color. He has an African father and was raised in Indonesia, and he does appear to be hiding something. If Colin Powell, or Al Sharpton was President, no one would question their birth place.

This. Also, since his father was not a U.S. citizen or at best held dual citizenship there is a question as to whether or not he himself is considered a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution.

[truthwolf1]

Even if it is proven true that Obama is not a citizen, Chris Matthews will still be foaming from his mouth at birthers

[tom502]

Trump was on the Piers Morgan show last night, I didn't see it all, and didn't hear anything about the birth cert., but the more I hear Trump talk politics, the more I like him.

[sgreger1]

How about if we enforce it for everyone whose parents are not both natural born citizens?

Showing your birth certificate to be the President doesn't seem like a high bar. If there is a requirement - you should be willing to show your credentials.

I don't think it matters either way. But he's hiding something. Politicians do not set in their heels over "principles" - not that they would recognize one if it bit them - but the nature of politics is to defuse nonsense like this.

I agree completely, I think every president SHOULD have been showing this from the beginnig and I am amazed that they havn't. I think it is DEFINATELY reasonable to ask that people who come from parents of another country be vetted, it seems only logical, though I think everyone should be vetted.

The guy obviously has something to hide, and I also agree that he wouldn't be dragging his heals and causing all of this uproar over principle, Obama isn't a man of principle so I am not sure why he is holding on to this.


I am just saying that by selectively enforcing something on the first blakc guy that comes around is going to illicit this kind of response. It has discredited the whole movement that would otherwise be semi-legit.

But again, it's easy to fake birth certificates so it wouldn't surprise me if he came out with one right before his next election to completely discredit the right.

[sgreger1]

This. Also, since his father was not a U.S. citizen or at best held dual citizenship there is a question as to whether or not he himself is considered a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution.

His fathers citizenship status has no bearing on Obama's citizenship status. If they got off the boat to Hawaii and gave birth right there on the beach, Obama is from that point on an american, plain and simple. I must say that the evidence on their side is pretty stunning, they have mentions of his being born in the local newspaper for god's sake, how on earth could they pull that off?