Is trump a birther?

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  • StuKlu
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    • Feb 2010
    • 1192

    #31
    Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
    His fathers citizenship status has no bearing on Obama's citizenship status. If they got off the boat to Hawaii and gave birth right there on the beach, Obama is from that point on an american, plain and simple. I must say that the evidence on their side is pretty stunning, they have mentions of his being born in the local newspaper for god's sake, how on earth could they pull that off?
    The definition of Natural Born Citizen is the question, not whether or not he is an American Citizen. There is a difference - look it up.
    As for the newspaper announcements, those are triggered automatically by the Department of Health in Hawaii upon the application for the certificate of live birth. The certificate of live birth is not a valid long form birth certificate and that is the document that is easily forged. A real birth certificate would have the state seal, hospital of birth, parents information, and would be signed by a doctor. And it is not true that other presidential candidates have not had to establish their constitutional eligibility. As recently as John McCain there was an issue as I mentioned in an earlier post.

    The only reason this is an issue is the fact that Obama has steadfastly refused to release the one document that would put this to rest. He is hiding something, there can no longer be any doubt of that.

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    • LincolnSnuff
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 676

      #32
      The truth is, Obama's campaign team did post a forged Certificate of Live Birth on his campaign website. They quickly removed it when it was proven to be a digital forgery. Why release a forgery if the real thing is available? Read this analysis and draw your own conclusions:

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...exclusive.html

      I think the campaign team did more to propel the "Birther" movement than anyone else by posting such an obviously fake COLB. Also, this is clearly not a racially prompted issue. IMO it is nitpicky, but the Constitution is the Constitution.

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      • tom502
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        • Feb 2009
        • 8985

        #33
        You hear it's all about his race on this topic all the time. It's clearly not for the reasons I stated. I think those that try to make it so, are the racists, because they believe Obama should not be held to "honkey law".

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        • truthwolf1
          Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 2696

          #34
          Trump is sounding a little better now everyday.

          although, he does seem to be the kind of guy that would veto anything that was uneccessary/unprofitable to keep the American corporation running.

          Everybody would have to pull their own weight and that would really piss off a lot of people who are not.

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          • tom502
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            • Feb 2009
            • 8985

            #35
            He has my vote!

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            • sgreger1
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              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #36
              Originally posted by StuKlu View Post
              The definition of Natural Born Citizen is the question, not whether or not he is an American Citizen. There is a difference - look it up.
              As for the newspaper announcements, those are triggered automatically by the Department of Health in Hawaii upon the application for the certificate of live birth. The certificate of live birth is not a valid long form birth certificate and that is the document that is easily forged. A real birth certificate would have the state seal, hospital of birth, parents information, and would be signed by a doctor. And it is not true that other presidential candidates have not had to establish their constitutional eligibility. As recently as John McCain there was an issue as I mentioned in an earlier post.

              The only reason this is an issue is the fact that Obama has steadfastly refused to release the one document that would put this to rest. He is hiding something, there can no longer be any doubt of that.

              Well I do have to agree with the COLB thing, because Hawaii (at the time) was one of those places where pretty much anyone who showed up there with a baby and the proper forms could get a certificate of live birth, all you did was ask for the form and that was it, so was a popular place fo rimmegrants I heard because if they could just get there than it would be easy to get a COLB. I also find it odd that he would chose to show his COLB instead of his real birth certificate. Personally I woulnd't be surprised if he was born somewhere else, but I maintain that this is the wrong battle to pick. It's one of those things that you just have to admit you've lost, because it does look racist when everyone assumes the first black president is a secret muslim from kenya, and again it's easy to fake birth certificates so I don't see what is stopping him from making one up at one point anyways. I mean he's the president, he's already there, we know there are no rules once you obtain that kind of power.

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              • tom502
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                • Feb 2009
                • 8985

                #37
                That old tactic of the democratic socialists to accuse anyone of questioning anything about Obama as being racist has been so overused these days, I don't think it hold water anymore, in fact, I think once that accusaion is leveled, it makes one think they are trying to hide something. People, such as Whoopi, and the news heads, saying it's racist to inquire about Obama's supression of his birth records, only makes people think he is hiding something, and just maybe he's not a citizen.

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                • sgreger1
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #38
                  Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                  That old tactic of the democratic socialists to accuse anyone of questioning anything about Obama as being racist has been so overused these days, I don't think it hold water anymore, in fact, I think once that accusaion is leveled, it makes one think they are trying to hide something. People, such as Whoopi, and the news heads, saying it's racist to inquire about Obama's supression of his birth records, only makes people think he is hiding something, and just maybe he's not a citizen.
                  But tom you knwo this is not an even playing field, you know that it is a constatn PR war between both sides. I am not saying it's not legit to question his birth certificate, but I am saying you must realize how it appears to people looking atthis from the sidelines. We got a guy who gets elected and suddenly everyone thinks he is a secret muslim born in kenya which obviously alludes to his race. Intentions are one thing, but i'm saying that this is why it comes off that way. It just seems wierd that we never made a big deal about this iwth other presidents, I mean Obama has shown more than other presidents so he has already fulfilled more of the requirement than most presidents have. I think he's hiding something too, and I think every president should have to show it now, but you can never prove it and it just looks bad for the right when this is the 1 thing they seem to care about instead of his actual bad policy decisions.

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                  • timholian
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                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1448

                    #39
                    As a side line observer I dont think its racist to want to see him BC...... I just think at this point its just silly, this should have been resolved BEFORE he ran. I agree with Sgreger.... the Dems are using this issue to take heat and attention from other more important things.

                    The guy is president and that is not a permanent position, if you see it as a problem, at this point in the game, vote him out.... it will just be easier and easier to investigate when hes not president anymore.

                    but racist?!?!?!? I think that would be grasping at straws.

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #40
                      Originally posted by timholian View Post
                      As a side line observer I dont think its racist to want to see him BC...... I just think at this point its just silly, this should have been resolved BEFORE he ran. I agree with Sgreger.... the Dems are using this issue to take heat and attention from other more important things.

                      The guy is president and that is not a permanent position, if you see it as a problem, at this point in the game, vote him out.... it will just be easier and easier to investigate when hes not president anymore.

                      but racist?!?!?!? I think that would be grasping at straws.


                      Exactly! Guys got two years, just vote him out. And I don't think it's in any way "actually" racist to ask for the BC, I mean it is a requirement to hold that office. I am just telling people that you have to see how others see it, they see the first black guy get elected and suddenly eevryone si claiming he must have surely been born in kenya. Logic dictates taht it is a rational question considering his parents, but all i'msaying is that screaming about his BC APPEARS like there are alterior motifs and that may lead to people vote againstthe right and for Obama when 2012 comes along. I would hate to see a legitimate issue be ignored just because everyone is going about it wrong. But your right, it's not actually racist to ask to see the BC, it only appears that way to people who don't understand the facts involved.

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                      • tom502
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                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8985

                        #41


                        This is who we need for President!

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                        • sgreger1
                          Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 9451

                          #42
                          Yah I heard he doubled down on the birther thing. Im still pretty sure this is all for ratings but he makes good points and is currently polling ahead of every other republican contender including Romney and Palin and all the rest. I think he'll pullla Ross Perot on us and roll out before he actually wins, but I am not sure, I think his ego would like to be president but I am not convinced that he actually plans on seeking elected office. This will make him rich either way.

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                          • Darwin
                            Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1372

                            #43
                            His ego would really like being President Of The World For Life but in a pinch it could make do with merely sitting in the White House. Even if he's not really serious all this exposure will make the other candidates look all the more serious and competent, including Palin.

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                            • sgreger1
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9451

                              #44
                              Lol, he is doubling down!

                              Here's his letter to the editor:


                              LETTER
                              Donald Trump Responds
                              Published: April 8, 2011
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                              To the Editor:

                              Re “Donald Trump Gets Weirder,” by Gail Collins (column, April 2):

                              Even before Gail Collins was with the New York Times, she has written nasty and derogatory articles about me. Actually, I have great respect for Ms. Collins in that she has survived so long with so little talent. Her storytelling ability and word usage (coming from me, who has written many bestsellers), is not at a very high level. More importantly, her facts are wrong!

                              As far as her comments on the so-called “birther” issue, I don't need Ms. Collins's advice. There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth. His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in-they just don't know.

                              He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain. Equally of importance, there are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there-no bills, no doctors names, no nurses names, no registrations, no payments, etc. As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S. with all of the benefits thereto. Everybody, after all, and especially then, wanted to be a United States citizen.

                              The term used by Ms. Collins-“birther”-is very derogatory and is meant in a derogatory way. Had this been George Bush or almost any other President or Presidential aspirant, they would never have been allowed to attain office, or would have been thrown out of office very quickly.

                              For some reason, the press protects President Obama beyond anything or anyone I have ever seen. What they don't realize is that if he was not born in the United States, they would have uncovered the greatest "scam" in the history of our country. In other words, they would become the hottest writer since Watergate, or beyond.

                              Open your eyes, Gail, there's at least a good chance that Barack Hussein Obama has made mincemeat out of our great and cherished Constitution!

                              DONALD J. TRUMP
                              New York, April 7, 2011

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                              • Thunderstruck
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                                • Mar 2011
                                • 30

                                #45
                                The country needs that man in office. Enough pussy footing around people. Let's get a President who can keep it real.

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