Snuscentral opinions

[EricHill78]

I use those stickers...I place them on packs of gum at the store and other various items that one would think, "Really, CoffeeMate is not a safe alternative to cigarettes?" I had my girlfriend convinced one night that the air spray in the bathroom did cause mouth cancer

Lmao you really do that at the store? Too funny. I'd put it on tampons ha

[russki]

I use those stickers...I place them on packs of gum at the store and other various items that one would think, "Really, CoffeeMate is not a safe alternative to cigarettes?" I had my girlfriend convinced one night that the air spray in the bathroom did cause mouth cancer

Study finds Aerosol Sprays linked to Mouth Cancer


I also just read somewhere that Kinklersnuffer ES has been discontinued...

[fishmeat]

I sing that song to my snus...

[Ephemeris]

Regarding the higher cost of shipping from Sweden: I'd be doing a disservice to MaKe Webo by pretending they make a huge profit off of shipping, based on the paperwork I've seen.


Cost UPS charges MaKe Webo to ship my package from Sweden to NC: 22.85.

UPS International import handling: 2.25

Declared Value surcharge: 2.25

Adult signature confirmation: 4.25

Total cost for MaKe Webo: 31.60
What they charge me: 31.56

Seems like I owe them four cents.

Now, if they're making a big profit off of their standard UPS shipping, I don't know. I always choose Express because it's only 1.56 higher than Standard, and it gets here in two days as opposed to a week. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I also understand MaKe Webo voluntarily covers customs duties out of their pocket. They got a good deal with UPS due to the amount of freight they move, and they pass this waiving on to the customer. They could very easily have negotiated a better deal for themselves instead of one that benefits their American customers only. Or they could tack on an added "Customs and Duties" fee and we'd be none the wiser.

What I'm saying is that if someone has proof or evidence that MaKe Webo (in particular, Snuscentral) is overcharging their customers on shipping, I'm all ears. I don't think it's fair to claim they're ripping people off when it's clearly not the case based on what I know to be fact. Of course it's going to cost more to ship from Sweden than within the US especially when you pick a premium service over standard service- if you can't understand why, then you have some serious mental development issues. (This difference in service plans incidentally explains why packages from Snuscentral travel 5,000 miles in 48 hours whereas packages from Northerner travel 500 miles in 72 hours.)

I also think it's disingenuous to imply that the company is not "legit" because they are based out of another country and don't have to follow laws that American companies like Northerner US have to. MaKe Webo isn't required by any agency, national or international, to collect taxes owed to your home state and I see no reason why they should. But to act as though they're skirting the law or that customers of a Swedish snus store are going to "get in trouble" or are otherwise doing something wrong, grey area or illegal- well, that's libelous.

On a much smaller scale, I've had to deal with similar complaints lodged against The Ephemeris. People complained when the cover price increased and they complained when I had to charge more for shipping. They wonder why I can't be like Time or Newsweek and give them free shipping and deep discount subscriptions, and the bottom line is that my publishing company does not operate like big corporate publishing houses. We have 1/100,000 of the circulation those mags have. We don't get any mail discounts. We don't get "free" anything. Our cover price still isn't high enough for us to turn a profit, and we have to charge 7.00 shipping to Europe because that's what the USPS charges us.

Our cover price is 8.83, and we charge 2.99 to ship. I understand perfectly if that amount is more than someone is willing to pay for a quarterly journal, but when they imply that we're "overcharging", I feel the duty to show that we're doing the exact opposite.

Of course, all of this was much simpler when everyone used the USPS. What I miss most was ordering from Getsnus, having it come the next day, getting a free can with my order, and having it come in a big brown box all for 2.99. Of course, we know now that Getsnus was a subsidy of Swedish Match, so they could get away with doing all those perks. Now that Getsnus is a branch of the Northerner, they can't just give away their stuff for free and they can't lose money on shipping with every order, so they have to charge what they charge in order to stay in business. However, it would be a dick move to claim that the new Getsnus was "overcharging" based on what the old Getsnus charged (as some have claimed).

Basically, I just don't understand why someone feels the need to "trash" Company A because they're loyal to Company B. There's no such thing as the perfect snus store, and all of them have enough faults on their own to bar the need to make false or exaggerated claims against them.

I similarly made this same defense of Mr. Snuff's store when people were claiming Dave was "ripping people off" because customs were holding their packages for ungodly long periods. Their explanation for labeling him as a crook was that their orders from Toque got there a lot quicker (both companies sell snuff, and both ship from England, therefore they should have the same exact delivery time). That wasn't fair to Dave, and I don't think it's fair to MaKe Webo to accuse them of some of the charges being leveled against them in this thread.

[EricHill78]

PremiumSnus is charging $20 shipping for UPS Express. I placed an order Friday afternoon and it is in Philadelphia already, set to be delivered by 10:30 tomorrow. I did another order on Sunday for a friend of mine and it too is set to arrive tomorrow.

Wow just did a little playing around on their site and their prices are awesome. And 20 bucks shipping?? Awesome. I'll hit them up next order

[lxskllr]

I also think it's disingenuous to imply that the company is not "legit" because they are based out of another country and don't have to follow laws that American companies like Northerner US have to. MaKe Webo isn't required by any agency, national or international, to collect taxes owed to your home state and I see no reason why they should. But to act as though they're skirting the law or that customers of a Swedish snus store are going to "get in trouble" or are otherwise doing something wrong, grey area or illegal- well, that's libelous.

I'd consider the Swedish sellers position in the USA as tenuous. All it would take is a memo to UPS, and tobacco shipments coming into America would be stopped. Don't think it would happen? Four years ago, what outsider(someone in the biz may have been privy to intent) would have predicted all the ridiculous rules we have now? That's nothing derogatory towards Buysnus et al, but I'd be worried if I were them.

I've likened Buysnus to being being the guy down the street that sells weed. That may be fine NOW, but tomorrow's a different day, and it all could change. That being the case, I'd consider Buysnus somewhat greymarket, or at least a loophole that wasn't foreseen by our oppressors. Again, it's nothing derogatory against Buysnus, but it isn't a comfortable position to be in.

[fishmeat]

I don't think that anyone of them are out to make an extra dollar or two with their shops. Competitiveness is what drives business, lets pray they don't get fed up with the he said she said stuff and decided..."We are the only ones doing this, lets all mark-up everything and we will profit. Besides they can't get it any other way half the time." I watched an episode of King of the Hill the other night where all the owners of the propane shops in town got together and drove prices up just because they could.

I am grateful that because I cannot get exactly what I want when it comes to snus locally, on-line shops are really the best way to go. If they were to pull together and drive prices as high or higher than smokes we would all be royally flubbed.

[Premium Parrots]

I think we should all be very happy that Buysnus and Northerner makes snus available to us online at all. Both are great companies. Both have faults. Pretty much every order I make are about the same price at both places. In a nutshell....I simply prefer to deal with notherner because they will be hosting promotions on this site and are working hard to put snus in the B&M stores. Thats supposed to be swedish matches job. How hard would it be to add snus to the orders they are already sending out to distributors.

If we could only depend upon swedish match to get our snus then surely the price would skyrocket.

[brant]

Wow just did a little playing around on their site and their prices are awesome. And 20 bucks shipping?? Awesome. I'll hit them up next order

This is clearly one that is "skirting" ~something~ - think about it, premiumsnus.com is shipping over $10 less than either Buysnus or SC - yet they are all part of or partner with MakeWebo for distribution. Agree? I don't know - they have cheaper shipping rates over all that are being discussed here.

I really doubt any of the companies are "gouging" any of their customers, like Ephemeris indicated... it's their operational costs, and we just feel compelled to pissed at someone regarding PACT ... I know I do. But, it is simple buying preference - which is good for everyone's business.

And the Northerner loyalty, I understand it - but isn't it a Swedish company? - just has a US distribution site? i.e. not as Patriotic or "buy American" as you may think, agree?

Let's just hope we can get the snus we like from the "company" we like ... now THAT's the American way ...

[lxskllr]

And the Northerner loyalty, I understand it - but isn't it a Swedish company? - just has a US distribution site? i.e. not as Patriotic or "buy American" as you may think, agree?

Not American, but they're /my people/. I have very little patriotism regarding America. The people are fine, but the government can go to hell. When you take flag waving nationalism out of the picture, it comes down to tribal loyalty. My people are more important to me than your people. My people are the people I deal with on a day to day basis. With Northerner, They're affiliated with this site, and more importantly, are getting snus into B&M stores. If my disaster scenario above proves right, Northerner will be our only choice for real snus in America. Some will get through via private transactions, but anyone who doesn't "know" somebody will be left in the cold.

[Wrath]

All this talk makes me feel like I'm doing something illegal. All I want to do is sit back and enjoy my snus without worry as to whether I'll have the state up my ass collecting back taxes owed on tobacco products. I will admit, that I dream of the day when Northerner's US Warehouse becomes a super center for snus. I've never had any problems when ordering from Northerner and I would gladly drive the ~3 hours to their warehouse to pick up an order if they allowed it. As for buysnus and the others, I haven't ordered from them. I fully support their cause and effort into getting more snus available in B&M shops.

All in all, order from whom you feel comfortable with, just keep the shops open. If all snus importing were to cease, I'd be SOL so I'm just happy I have a way to meet my needs.

[brant]

Not American, but they're /my people/. I have very little patriotism regarding America. The people are fine, but the government can go to hell. When you take flag waving nationalism out of the picture, it comes down to tribal loyalty. My people are more important to me than your people. My people are the people I deal with on a day to day basis. With Northerner, They're affiliated with this site, and more importantly, are getting snus into B&M stores. If my disaster scenario above proves right, Northerner will be our only choice for real snus in America. Some will get through via private transactions, but anyone who doesn't "know" somebody will be left in the cold.

valid point. completely understand. loyalty is something that is admirable. i am on board with this. let's just hope the "snus-pocalyse" never occurs, for all our sakes. More shops, the better, both brick and mortar and e-stores.

[lxskllr]

let's just hope the "snus-pocalyse" never occurs, for all our sakes. More shops, the better, both brick and mortar and e-stores.

I agree 100% :^)

[EricHill78]

If we loose snus all together I have my snuff as a back up

[brant]

If we loose snus all together I have my snuff as a back up

true - i just recently got into snuff - and i am with you on this one. But, those PACT loving, no-tobacco zealots would target snuff next ... gotta get some "reduced harm" legislation in motion to really educate the anti-tobacco nuts ... but, it's all or nothing with them. one tobacco product as bad as the next in their narrow minds - if they only knew how many lives they could save by promoting snus and snuff over smoking. their loyalties lie with the drug companies and their products.