PACT: A Coherent Discussion

[Toque Snuff]

LHB has raised another interesting point. Tobacco is NOT a prohibited product under the WTA.

It would therefore follow that it would be illegal for the US postal service to refuse to deliver a foreign countries legitimate mail.

[Premium Parrots]

Thank you Roderik for coming here to explain that for us. We really appreciate it.

[MrSnusNSnuff]

Now if Toque started manufacturing snus, we could buy through them too, and have shipped via Royal Mail *hint, hint*

[LHB]

LHB has raised another interesting point. Tobacco is NOT a prohibited product under the WTA.

It would therefore follow that it would be illegal for the US postal service to refuse to deliver a foreign countries legitimate mail.

But if the Act is signed into law, it will be illegal to ship tobacco products through the U.S. mail. When laws come into conflict, the courts decide. I'll be happy to serve as a test case; I intend to continue to order tobacco products from internet suppliers no matter what the law.

I would also encourage you all to remember that "the market" for snus and snuff is based in part on variety. I'm not suggesting that anyone is looking forward to cornering the market, but for Swedish Match--for example--to think that they're be rolling in the money because they alone are able to distribute their product in the U.S. misses an important point.

It's hard to imagine people taking much of an interest in snus if all they can obtain is $7 cans of General. Without the variety, I suspect a lot of people will view snus as just another tobacco product, except now more expensive than mass market products, and switch back to their old tobacco product of choice.

Every manufacturer and distributor of "alternative" tobacco products has a strong interest in maintaining the widest possible market in the U.S., or risk it disappearing entirely.

[justintempler]

One of the side effects of PACT will be bigger deficits @ USPS
They had a 7 billion dollar deficit in 2009 and removing the revenue they get from tobacco is sure to make that problem even worse.

[ladysnus]

Roderick, if the US mail can't deliver tobacco, well helll I'm confused :?:

if your snuff can make it here US mail it would seem the same for snus from Sweden

Have you ever broken the law before? If you plan on being a tobacco user, you had better get used to it.

I actually don't break the law and just because I'm a tobacco user does not mean I have to start break the law
This is why I stockpiled snus and snuff. When I'm out of snus in 3 yrs... No problem... General Wintergreen I can live forever on. So no law broken

[justintempler]

I actually don't break the law and just because I'm a tobacco user does not mean I have to start break the law
This is why I stockpiled snus and snuff. When I'm out of snus in 3 yrs... No problem... General Wintergreen I can live forever on. So no law broken

+1

I'm sitting on atleast a 2 year stockpile of snus and tobacco and growing more.

It reminds me of Atlas Shrugged where they produced their own cigarettes and used the $ sign as their trademark

[sgreger1]

+1

It reminds me of Atlas Shrugged where they produced their own cigarettes and used the $ sign as their trademark

Dude, whoever here is growing their own should totally make a snuson brand snus and use the $ symbol as the trademark. That would be epic.

[RobsanX]

We send all orders free of charge to the USA by Royal Mail, US Govt cannot interfere with UK commerce in any shape or form and we will continue to supply US customers directly..

Interesting. I wonder if the same holds true for Swiss Post...

[shikitohno]

I intend to continue ordering from European vendors, so long as they continue to offer to ship to the US. To put it in perspective, if you were to order psychedelic mushrooms from Amsterdam (before they were made illegal there as well) via an online store, you could do so relatively safely. If customs seized the package, you'd get a letter from them declaring that a package addressed to you contained suspected contraband. They ask you if you'd like to receive it anyway. If you say no, you lose the package/money, but suffered no criminal penalties for it.

Until I see a reason why I should stop doing as I have been (ie, I get arrested or fined heavily for it), I intend to continue on ordering what I please from where I please. Besides, if you get arrested, you'll have a bed all to yourself in jail if you tell the other guys you got caught smuggling four kilos into the country. Well, as long as you don't mention that it was four kilos of snus, of course.

[LaZeR]

Roderick, I'm so confused but I do trust you know wtf you are talking about. First my fiance', now my own friggen govt. I just can't win these days. :cry:

[LHB]

Roderick, if the US mail can't deliver tobacco, well helll I'm confused :?:

if your snuff can make it here US mail it would seem the same for snus from Sweden

Have you ever broken the law before? If you plan on being a tobacco user, you had better get used to it.

I actually don't break the law and just because I'm a tobacco user does not mean I have to start break the law
This is why I stockpiled snus and snuff. When I'm out of snus in 3 yrs... No problem... General Wintergreen I can live forever on. So no law broken

I hate to say it ladysnus, but if you haven't been paying state taxes on your recently accumulated hoard of snus, I strongly suspect that you've been breaking the law. The PACT Act just brings the Federal Government into play in "helping" states enforce compliance with their tax laws as they relate to tobacco purchases. Welcome to the wonderful world of smuggling!

[/dev/null]

I hate to say it ladysnus, but if you haven't been paying state taxes on your recently accumulated hoard of snus, I strongly suspect that you've been breaking the law. The PACT Act just brings the Federal Government into play in "helping" states enforce compliance with their tax laws as they relate to tobacco purchases. Welcome to the wonderful world of smuggling!

Never mind the fact that state tobacco taxes are all wrong in the first place.

[knucklesnus]

Why don't they tax the shit out of booze? Booze kills lots of folks? How about a 6 pack of Nat Light that costs $15.00?

I can't stand this planet. Why is everyone out to bleed you dry? I don't get it. Luckily I have about 300 can's of snus in my freezer. Don't know if it will last but I'm not paying $7 a can for the shit.

At least Obama and the rest of the thugs in the government and wall street are ok. As well as the banking elite and corporate thugs. I want off this F'N ship

[tom502]

I did read the BATF and FDA has banned snuscentral from selling V2 tobacco shirts and stuff.