Any plans to stock up before FDA regulation or PACT kick in?

[Jason]

Not stocking up here. Whatever happens, happens. I like tobacco, but I'm not going to let it dictate my life or finances. It's done that enough already.

[stew.12]

Remember when online gambling was made illegal?

[snupy]

Not stocking up here. Whatever happens, happens. I like tobacco, but I'm not going to let it dictate my life or finances. It's done that enough already.

Once I am absolutely sure with respect to growing tobacco and making snus, it will no longer matter what the government does.

[DmWard1978]

The answer here is simple. PACT and the FDA rules won't matter if Swedish Match sets up a plant in the US and simply produces to their existing standards. That should keep the FDA and the PACT people quiet. Once they are in the US making Snus the Camel Crap won't stand a chance. Retail stores will carry it since they wont have to import it. Of course our taxes will go up but thats life.

Only 2 things you can rely on death and taxes.

[lxskllr]

Remember when online gambling was made illegal?

That's easier to get around to to the lack of a physical item. Online gambling is just 1s and 0s over a wire, and much harder to enforce.

[lxskllr]

The answer here is simple. PACT and the FDA rules won't matter if Swedish Match sets up a plant in the US and simply produces to their existing standards. That should keep the FDA and the PACT people quiet. Once they are in the US making Snus the Camel Crap won't stand a chance. Retail stores will carry it since they wont have to import it. Of course our taxes will go up but thats life.

Only 2 things you can rely on death and taxes.

I'm not that crazy about SM products... If I ever get my money in order, I'll definitely be getting snus, and the government will be getting no taxes. At this point I'm giving serious thought to moving out of the country if possible. This is just 1 more item to add to my list of grievances. I need to look into some alternate living areas. Argentina seems like it might be ok, but I need to research the climate.

[ddandb]

The answer here is simple. PACT and the FDA rules won't matter if Swedish Match sets up a plant in the US and simply produces to their existing standards. That should keep the FDA and the PACT people quiet. Once they are in the US making Snus the Camel Crap won't stand a chance. Retail stores will carry it since they wont have to import it. Of course our taxes will go up but thats life.

Only 2 things you can rely on death and taxes.

I'm not that crazy about SM products... If I ever get my money in order, I'll definitely be getting snus, and the government will be getting no taxes. At this point I'm giving serious thought to moving out of the country if possible. This is just 1 more item to add to my list of grievances. I need to look into some alternate living areas. Argentina seems like it might be ok, but I need to research the climate.

Argentina's climate is generally temperate, but there are great variations, from the extreme heat of the northern Chaco region, through the pleasant mild climate of the central pampas, to the subantarctic cold of the glacial regions of southern Patagonia. The highest temperature, 49° C (120° F ), was recorded in the extreme north, and the lowest,–16° C (3° F ), in the southern tip of the country. Rainfall diminishes from east to west. Rainfall at Buenos Aires averages 94 cm (37 in) annually, and the mean annual temperature is 16° C (61° F ). Light snowfalls occur occasionally in Buenos Aires. Throughout Argentina, January is the warmest month and June and July are the coldest. North of the Río Negro, the winter months (May–August) are the driest period of the year. The wide variations of climate are due to the great range in altitude and the vast extent of the country. In the torrid zone of the extreme north, for example, the Chaco area has a mean annual temperature of about 23° C (73° F ) and a rainfall of about 76 cm (30 in), whereas Puna de Atacama has a temperature average of 14° C (57° F ) and a rainfall of about 5 cm (2 in). The pampas, despite their immensity, have an almost uniform climate, with much sunshine and adequate precipitation. The coldest winters occur not in Tierra del Fuego, which is warmed by ocean currents, but in Santa Cruz Province, where the July average is 0° C (32° F ).

[lxskllr]

Argentina's climate is generally temperate, but there are great variations, from the extreme heat of the northern Chaco region, through the pleasant mild climate of the central pampas, to the subantarctic cold of the glacial regions of southern Patagonia. The highest temperature, 49° C (120° F ), was recorded in the extreme north, and the lowest,–16° C (3° F ), in the southern tip of the country. Rainfall diminishes from east to west. Rainfall at Buenos Aires averages 94 cm (37 in) annually, and the mean annual temperature is 16° C (61° F ). Light snowfalls occur occasionally in Buenos Aires. Throughout Argentina, January is the warmest month and June and July are the coldest. North of the Río Negro, the winter months (May–August) are the driest period of the year. The wide variations of climate are due to the great range in altitude and the vast extent of the country. In the torrid zone of the extreme north, for example, the Chaco area has a mean annual temperature of about 23° C (73° F ) and a rainfall of about 76 cm (30 in), whereas Puna de Atacama has a temperature average of 14° C (57° F ) and a rainfall of about 5 cm (2 in). The pampas, despite their immensity, have an almost uniform climate, with much sunshine and adequate precipitation. The coldest winters occur not in Tierra del Fuego, which is warmed by ocean currents, but in Santa Cruz Province, where the July average is 0° C (32° F ).

Very informative. It sounds like some place there is for me(cool and wet are ideal). I wonder how hard it is to get in, hmm...

[Qor]

Ugh, how lame would it be if this came to fruition and we were unable to get Snus?

I mean, I am new to this stuff and it has already saved me tons of money and the harm reduction is simply amazing in comparison to cigarettes.

Who here is going to start making snus and then selling it to your fellow SnusOn members? I will even Photoshop the graphics for the cans. We can call it "SnuShine", our version of the prohibition days instead of Moonshine. I really hope SM can figure something out, or someone can, to make it available here in the U.S. instead of the Camel and Marlboro stuff.

*sigh*

-Qor

[ddandb]

Argentina's climate is generally temperate, but there are great variations, from the extreme heat of the northern Chaco region, through the pleasant mild climate of the central pampas, to the subantarctic cold of the glacial regions of southern Patagonia. The highest temperature, 49° C (120° F ), was recorded in the extreme north, and the lowest,–16° C (3° F ), in the southern tip of the country. Rainfall diminishes from east to west. Rainfall at Buenos Aires averages 94 cm (37 in) annually, and the mean annual temperature is 16° C (61° F ). Light snowfalls occur occasionally in Buenos Aires. Throughout Argentina, January is the warmest month and June and July are the coldest. North of the Río Negro, the winter months (May–August) are the driest period of the year. The wide variations of climate are due to the great range in altitude and the vast extent of the country. In the torrid zone of the extreme north, for example, the Chaco area has a mean annual temperature of about 23° C (73° F ) and a rainfall of about 76 cm (30 in), whereas Puna de Atacama has a temperature average of 14° C (57° F ) and a rainfall of about 5 cm (2 in). The pampas, despite their immensity, have an almost uniform climate, with much sunshine and adequate precipitation. The coldest winters occur not in Tierra del Fuego, which is warmed by ocean currents, but in Santa Cruz Province, where the July average is 0° C (32° F ).

Very informative. It sounds like some place there is for me(cool and wet are ideal). I wonder how hard it is to get in, hmm...

Argentina

In general
For entering the country a valid international passport is needed except for nationals of the following countries:

* Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay, who can travel with their valid identity cards.


A visa for nationals of the following countries is not needed if they are visiting Argentina as tourists:

* EU and Switzerland nationals for a stay of no longer than three months
* Andorra, Australia, Barbados, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Israel, Japan, The Republic of Yugoslavia, Canada, Columbia, Croatia, Liechtenstein, Malta, Mexico, Monaco, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, San Marino, Slovenia, South Africa, Turkey, Hungary, Uruguay, the USA, Vatican City und Venezuela for no longer than three months.



Validity
Varies depending on the visa type and the applicant's nationality.


Visa application
In order to apply for a visa for Argentina, one has to submit the following documents:

* A valid international passport (validity at least six months beyond intended stay)
* One recent passport-type photograph
* Application form (it can also be downloaded online from the homepages of the Embassy and Consulate departments throughout the world)
* Visa fee - paid in cash or by postal order
* Explanation of the purpose, reasons and duration of the trip
* A return ticket or a ticket for your onward journey


Please note

Business Visa: One has to apply with a business visa application form and attach an official letter from the employer and a letter of invitation from the company in Argentina as well as a bank reference and proof of sufficient funds.

Working visa: For a working visa, one has to submit a character reference letter. A medical certificate stating that the person is not suffering from contagious or infectious diseases (for some nationalities a HIV-negative test is also required) has to be attached together with the original signed working contract.

[DmWard1978]

Dude. America is the greatest country in the world!!!!

For as bad a swe think we have it, there are lots of other worse places.

Even Sweden. The birth place of our wonderful snus. They pay between 46 and 60 percent in income taxes. Then the swedish VAT tax the equivalent of our sales tax is 18%!!!!!!!!

The US is the greatest because it is built from a portion of ALL the cultures of the world!

[justintempler]

i put in a 150 dollar order last week, and i put in a 200 dollar order last night, and finally broke down and bought an icetool and some los as well with haste, haha, so i can decide if i like los or not and them immediatley put in a large order of various los snus.
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Damn chad,

I've been snusing for less than 7 months and I've spent a total of $370.22. I've seen way too many stories of newbies buying rolls of snus and end up hating the snus before they even finish the first can of the roll. Or their tastes change and stuff they where in love with turned to disgust a month later.

I've got a gut feeling you're buying stuff you don't even know if you like. Or buying stuff you're going to regret of having bought later on down the road. Be careful.

[sagedil]

I have put $199 orders in without ever buying a roll. then again, I have developed a roving group of at least 20 snus I really like. So 3 -5 of each, the cost gets up quick

[justintempler]

I have put $199 orders in without ever buying a roll. then again, I have developed a roving group of at least 20 snus I really like. So 3 -5 of each, the cost gets up quick

I understand sage, You've been snusing for 2 years you know what your tastes are. There's a difference between that and a newbie.

[sagedil]

Shh!!! But when newbie stocks up on stuff he decides he doesn't like, makes better deals for the rest of us. :lol: :lol: