Originally posted by Badfish74
PACT ACT - Let's act! We can't let this pass.
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Originally posted by Billy1I just spent about an hour typing emails to everybody I can think of who could affect this thing. Sucks that Feinstein and boxer are included, as both are vile, horrible people who not only don't care about the residents of California, but legitimately hate them. I emailed Obama as well expressing my disapproval. I will send more emails tomorrow regarding this, but for now I gotta get some sleep.
Furthermore, I don't think this will pass, however , there is a chance. I think that it's our duty, regardless of personal feelings on the chance of passing, to speak up to whomever will listen.
I think it may pass this time. But surely some sort of system must be put in place to purchase snus. I mean dealers can still order the stuff on-line if you are a tobacco shop and have it shipped. Maybe we will just have to start bombarding our local tobacco shops to start stocking some snus other than general. Maybe it will get big and more people will like snus, who knows. But expect to pay more.
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the only part that gets me is they threw in "terrorist", to make this bill scary. saying that terrorist groups are profiting, that's why we need to stop this, blah blah blah. it's our governments big thing, throwing around words like that to strike fear into the hearts of the american people.
if they said "snus caused 9/11" or "smokeless tobacco brews global terrorism" whew...you could kiss it goodbye.
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Originally posted by chadizzy1the only part that gets me is they threw in "terrorist", to make this bill scary. saying that terrorist groups are profiting, that's why we need to stop this, blah blah blah. it's our governments big thing, throwing around words like that to strike fear into the hearts of the american people.
if they said "snus caused 9/11" or "smokeless tobacco brews global terrorism" whew...you could kiss it goodbye.
Thank God snus is from Sweden, so I think we'll be alright in this category.
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So, what we going to do now??? I just found snus and it is really helping me quit smoking (only a couple a day now). Also, thanks to all of you who have shared your stories, thanks a bunch!!! I can make some big orders, but they're not going to last forever. What then? Will it be like getting cocaine or heroin? Will we be criminals? dammit!!!
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Snidely Whiplash, first, welcome to Snuson.
2nd, don't overstress this. For one, nothing has passed the Senate yet. And if it does, it is unclear what it will really mean. Can we just get our snus via UPS?? Worst case and we can't get snus shipped any more, I would imagine the snus makers would get MUCH more aggressive getting their products into stores located here. I promise, you snus won't go away.
Whatever happens, we will have much time to figure out our next steps. So I really wouldn't stress over this. And congratulations on finding snus. :wink:
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Welcome Snidely Whiplash,
I agree with Sage snus is here to stay. If anything, we'll look back and refer to this time as the good old days. Enjoy it while it's here and then you can tell your grandkids about it. :lol:
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I got a cigar store that sells General 10 miles away, not much skin off my nose. Made a appropriate e-mails citing health/smoking stories/etc. Brought up a few arguing points. But all in all if the President passes I'll just switch to General and save the good stuff in the freezer for Christmas parties and the likes.
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If you are writing your senator, do not email it. Every time you send an email, you will just receive back a canned email that was automatically generated. Your email will just be deleted, I am sure without being read.
However, if you actually write out a regular letter, someone has to physically receive it. Also, if you only put your initials on the return address, the letter has to be opened and read to get your name for the response letter, even if it is a canned letter.
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Wow, folks here are wildly spectacularly unrealistic on this, both on the politics and the substantive effect.
While you all are busy agreeing with one another that snus is here to stay the Senate just voted 84-11 to limit further debate & amendment to the companion legislation (HR 1256) on FDA tobacco control, which will make snus an illegal unapproved contraband tobacco product, no matter how or where it is sold, along with any tobacco with any kind of flavoring & anything else not already in widespread continuous unmodified US distribution since before February 2007. It is the explicit intent that smokeless products such as snus and dissolvables and other tobacco alternatives "new" to the US be completely shut down, and between the two bills it appears they will be very effective at doing so. "For the children. For your protection" That FDA legislation also passed the House easily, and it will be swiftly and proudly signed into law by the current President trumpeting his action to "protect children." He was a cosponsor as a Senator, and campaigned as a supporter of it and of this legislation.
The companion PACT legislation cutting off delivery from overseas and from internet vendors will also pass the Senate even more easily. The only thing that prevented both of these bills from becoming law last year was vigorous opposition from the previous administration and creative procedural delay by the minority party in the Senate, and as a result of the last election there is now no significant opposition left in either the executive or legislative branch to even try to slow it down. The current political leadership, which has unchallenged control of every branch of government, is doing exactly what it said it would do on this, whether you choose to notice it or believe it or not. "To protect you, for the children." You are expected to be grateful.
While you are chortling that there's no problem, the game is already over. You are screwed. It is done. And your agreement that it is not happening is of no consequence whatsoever. You are getting exactly what you voted for, whether you think so or not.
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