The Dam Has Broken

[trebli]

Thats cheap! About $10-11 a gallon here.

and I thought $3.59 a gallon was high!

[Skell18]

- Denmark has been applying "hamburger tax" on "unhealthy" food for several years now.
- Fuel costs about $ 8-9 per gallon in my country solely due to massive special petrochemical taxes.

Thats cheap! About $10-11 a gallon here.

[lxskllr]

Nobody wants to pay more taxes, nothing new there.Again, smokeless is only reduction......N constricts arteries, raises both blood pressure and pulse rate, fact.


The cumulative impact of excess medical care required by smokers at all ages while alive outweighs shorter life expectancy, and smokers incur higher expenditures for medical care over their lifetimes than never-smokers.
From here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1588892 - one of many........

One of many indeed...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...co-costs_N.htm

Lots of things have sub-optimal health implications, and specifically constrict arteries, and raise blood pressure. Which ones are we gonna tax? Sugar? Salt? Fat? Carbon monoxide? and at what rates? If cars were taxed like cigarettes a Corolla would over $100K

[lxskllr]

At that price you could cut the portions open with scissors and make your own lössnus. Would that work?

No, they're prepared differently. It would work after a fashion, but you'd end up with less than 20g of lössnus after factoring in shrinkage, and it wouldn't bake right.

[trebli]

No lössnus eh? Sounds like getting General near me still isn't much closer to getting what I want.

At that price you could cut the portions open with scissors and make your own lössnus. Would that work?

[Burnsey]

Nobody wants to pay more taxes, nothing new there.Again, smokeless is only reduction......N constricts arteries, raises both blood pressure and pulse rate, fact.


The cumulative impact of excess medical care required by smokers at all ages while alive outweighs shorter life expectancy, and smokers incur higher expenditures for medical care over their lifetimes than never-smokers.
From here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1588892 - one of many........

[Frankie Reloaded]

Where does this stop? Should a cheeseburger from McDonalds have a 500% tax applied? How about petrochemicals?

- Denmark has been applying "hamburger tax" on "unhealthy" food for several years now.
- Fuel costs about $ 8-9 per gallon in my country solely due to massive special petrochemical taxes.

[Frankie Reloaded]

If only this also happened in the EU continent-wide jail!

[lxskllr]

I know that it is behavior modification, but it is now a "if you wanna play you gotta pay" question as far as the added taxes are concerned....socialized medicine means non N users are going to have have to pay for the negative behavior of the N users, what's fair about that? Harm reduction is great, but it is not harm elimination.

Nicotine by itself has little harm involved, but let's talk about cigarettes. Cigarette users tend to cost less over a lifetime because they die earlier, and skip the most expensive years of care. Where does this stop? Should a cheeseburger from McDonalds have a 500% tax applied? How about petrochemicals? Cars kill about 120 people per day, but those are the cheap ones. I don't know how many people are maimed, and nailing down the exact instance of respiratory damage is hard to do, but it's certainly significant.

What it comes down to is "fsck you as long as I get mine". Punitive taxes are a discriminatory practice against people with little representation. There's enough people to campaign against $10 cheeseburgers, but tobacco users are left out in the cold.

[Burnsey]

Paying exorbitant taxes for anything is bullshit. The government shouldn't be in the business of modifying behavior through taxation. I'd be willing to compromise with a luxury tax that equals the state sales tax. For example, MD's sales tax is 6%. Adding another 6% to that for non-necessities isn't entirely unreasonable, but arguments to the contrary are compelling.

I know that it is behavior modification, but it is now a "if you wanna play you gotta pay" question as far as the added taxes are concerned....socialized medicine means non N users are going to have have to pay for the negative behavior of the N users, what's fair about that? Harm reduction is great, but it is not harm elimination.

We do have the standard retail flavors here as well, but the General original is the only one that interests me, and I can have it and wide selection delivered to my front door cheaper than our normal after taxes retail prices.

[lxskllr]

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'cause paying full federal and state tobacco tax for snus is absolute bullshit.
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Paying exorbitant taxes for anything is bullshit. The government shouldn't be in the business of modifying behavior through taxation. I'd be willing to compromise with a luxury tax that equals the state sales tax. For example, MD's sales tax is 6%. Adding another 6% to that for non-necessities isn't entirely unreasonable, but arguments to the contrary are compelling.

[Tristik]

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One of my local gas stations (stop n' go) started carrying both round and coffin cans a few months back. When I walked in and saw the 99 cents promotion, I snagged the 3 cans of mint they had left and 8 of the WG. I'll never buy there at full price though. Tins were over 6 bucks there before this 99 cent thing started. They really need to get the ball going on this harm reduction certification thing 'cause paying full federal and state tobacco tax for snus is absolute bullshit.
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[Frosted]

Congratulations....great news!

[lxskllr]

I need to hit up some convenience stores, and see if anything is around here. Sheetz is usually good about getting new tobacco products.

[truthwolf1]

B/M stores for Los and original portions/mini mint around here.

Gas stations have the coffin and round white portion cans fridges

or just the round white portion cans in a smaller fridge.