Loose snus to be banned in Denmark, Sweden last one standing

Yep, just make a point not to fund the tobacco Nazis through their 'NRT' products that largely don't work and just act as a cash cow to get you back to cigarettes.

[Ansel]

options available at the minute:

* Oliver Twist tobacco pellets and the Jager Pris ones

* buy tobacco off Toque and make your own los snus

* order from PP

* smoke a pipe

* GN

* Makla

There you go, I rest my case, I'd still be on the ciggys otherwise.

Didn't work for me, snus did though.

[Fazer]

Just how long do these EU-bastards think they can get away with what they're doing?

Until now, people like John Dalli have been able to pretend not to know anything about snus (besides the well known anti-snus-propaganda from publications that are aimed at children and full of barefaced lies).
But now, that they are reviewing the tobacco-directive, they must know that snus is harmless and a good substitute for cigarettes. Even the EU's own SCENIHR-study has shown that and I do not know any other snus-study that shows any statistical hint that snus could be more dangerous than coffee. At worst, the studies have an unbased tobacco-phobic undertone in the comments and recommendations, but no substantial argument against snus.

When will the EU-commission be sued for killing people knowingly by depriving smokers of a usable and harmless alternative?

Cheers!

But, it's OK to keep killing people, as long as the ££££ keep coming, and some people become super rich

[Skell18]

Shame is aside from the ££s NRT rarely works.

Bl**dy corrupt governments.

Didn't work for me, snus did though.

Shame is aside from the ££s NRT rarely works.

Bl**dy corrupt governments.

[chainsnuser]

Just how long do these EU-bastards think they can get away with what they're doing?

Until now, people like John Dalli have been able to pretend not to know anything about snus (besides the well known anti-snus-propaganda from publications that are aimed at children and full of barefaced lies).
But now, that they are reviewing the tobacco-directive, they must know that snus is harmless and a good substitute for cigarettes. Even the EU's own SCENIHR-study has shown that and I do not know any other snus-study that shows any statistical hint that snus could be more dangerous than coffee. At worst, the studies have an unbased tobacco-phobic undertone in the comments and recommendations, but no substantial argument against snus.

When will the EU-commission be sued for killing people knowingly by depriving smokers of a usable and harmless alternative?

Cheers!

[Fazer]

If you start looking at the politics of tobacco it gets pretty ugly. There are millions of dollars/euros flowing into tobacco control, mostly from pharmaceutical companies. In the states it also comes from the master settlement which is money from tobacco companies. The more people smoke the more tobacco control makes from the master settlement. Lots of folks in tobacco control are making a very nice living off the backs of smokers. These include the likes of The American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Tobacco Free Kids, and on and on.

Here are a few blogs that show the huge amount of corruption gong on

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com
http://antithrlies.wordpress.com
http://wivapers.blogspot.com
http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com

Tobacco control and our own governments have no interest in public health. There only interest is keeping the money flowing. TC is really nothing more then PR front groups for drug companies.

If the idea of tobacco harm reduction becomes mainstream these people would be out of work and lots of money would stop flowing. How are you going to tax the recreational use of nicotine in the from of smokeless tobacco when it is known to public that it is 99% less harmful then smoking. All the rational for the current tax structure falls apart. That would be like trying to tax caffein at the same level we now tax cigarettes. There are lots of interested parties that will do and say anything to keep THR from becoming mainstream. That includes the EU ban, extreme taxation, lies and misinformation about the dangers of smokeless tobacco, denormalization of tobacco users, etc.

I've been saying it's the big pharmaceutical companies AND big tobacco for a long time

[stubby2]

If you start looking at the politics of tobacco it gets pretty ugly. There are millions of dollars/euros flowing into tobacco control, mostly from pharmaceutical companies. In the states it also comes from the master settlement which is money from tobacco companies. The more people smoke the more tobacco control makes from the master settlement. Lots of folks in tobacco control are making a very nice living off the backs of smokers. These include the likes of The American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Tobacco Free Kids, and on and on.

Here are a few blogs that show the huge amount of corruption gong on

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com
http://antithrlies.wordpress.com
http://wivapers.blogspot.com
http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com

Tobacco control and our own governments have no interest in public health. There only interest is keeping the money flowing. TC is really nothing more then PR front groups for drug companies.

If the idea of tobacco harm reduction becomes mainstream these people would be out of work and lots of money would stop flowing. How are you going to tax the recreational use of nicotine in the form of smokeless tobacco when it is known to the public that it is 99% less harmful then smoking. All the rational for the current tax structure falls apart. That would be like trying to tax caffein at the same level we now tax cigarettes. There are lots of interested parties that will do and say anything to keep THR from becoming mainstream. That includes the EU ban, extreme taxation, lies and misinformation about the dangers of smokeless tobacco, denormalization of tobacco users, etc.

[Fazer]

After reading this, I think we have to do SnusOn group meeting in Sweden somewhere near future..

I wish i had the cash for a trip

This is just wrong!

In a word .......... Yes

[Skell18]

This is just wrong!

[kevs]

After reading this, I think we have to do SnusOn group meeting in Sweden somewhere near future..

Indeed, they won't stop until everything is shut down :-((

Question is ..... for how much longer ?

[Fazer]

Our only option now looks to be V2 snus from Northerner :-(

Question is ..... for how much longer ?

[Ansel]

Them making it harder to get makes me want to do it even more after how they have vilified smokers and smoking.