Loose snus to be banned in Denmark, Sweden last one standing

[Frosted]

You're not doing it for profit, but for the love of snus!!

lol - I suppose I could just keep it.

[Skell18]

If it was popular within the UK I'd seriously consider it but unfortunately it's not. And if you figure out the profit margin you wouldn't be making much even if it was popular - the cost of a van, taking a ferry to Sweden, the fuel - you've got to get it past customs so you'll have to figure in a loss every now and again, and then you've got to have somewhere to store it. The black market wouldn't work on snus - the profit margins would be crap.

You're not doing it for profit, but for the love of snus!!

[Frosted]

If it was popular within the UK I'd seriously consider it but unfortunately it's not. And if you figure out the profit margin you wouldn't be making much even if it was popular - the cost of a van, taking a ferry to Sweden, the fuel - you've got to get it past customs so you'll have to figure in a loss every now and again, and then you've got to have somewhere to store it. The black market wouldn't work on snus - the profit margins would be crap.

[truthwolf1]

With all the financial crap going on in the EU it is amazing that they have time for anti-tobacco.. which makes me assume that because of inflated government officials doing who knows what is the big reason they are in the mess they are. Looks like a good time to learn the dealings of the black market if you are looking for a career move.

[Frosted]

Norway is very proudly outside the EU!

However - everything in Norway costs 4 times what it costs in the UK and only the Norwegians can afford it unfortunately.

Amazing country!

They pay high taxes yeah....but they've got a very high standard of social living as a result. I'm not absoloutely sure but isn't it true that their childcare is either paid for by the state or heavily subsidised? Makes a hell of a difference from my payments of £1,700 a month.

[Skell18]

Yup they are, which is where we need to be! Certain things here are so expensive because of the EU, the rest is just ripoff Britain for you.

[squeezyjohn]

Norway is very proudly outside the EU!

However - everything in Norway costs 4 times what it costs in the UK and only the Norwegians can afford it unfortunately.

Amazing country!

[Skell18]

I hear you Skell :-)

Word!

[Ansel]

I hear you Skell :-)

[Skell18]

Skell, you're our legal eagle - can't you sue someone or something? :-)

You need to seek judicial review and take it all the way to the European court or ECHR, which, from what I know, has been tried and failed. Think it went last time due to the ban infringing the free trade between MS, however a new challenge on your right to choose a scientifically proven safer alternative to smoking I could see having grounds. Would be easier once the tobacco directive is reviewed and if the ban is lifted, no worries.

From my understanding the denmark ban is because they don't have the swedish exemption for snus so have to follow suit like the rest of us, correct me if I am wrong. The easiest thing with the EU is to do what france and italy do and just ignore it and pay the fine, they can't throw a whole country in jail (not that an entire country can commit such an offence) and what could the EU do about it if a country stuck 2 fingers up and continued selling? Nothing! The ECHR seems to work well enough for terrorists so what about my right to choose the smokeless tobacco I want to consume as I do not want to smoke!

Personally if/when we finally get our referendum on the EU I now have an extra reason to vote to leave as I have never been a fan.

[Ansel]

Skell, you're our legal eagle - can't you sue someone or something? :-)

[Skell18]

Sorry - yes I meant sales are banned. Ownership is not illegal in any eU country as far as I know.

The only thing illegal about snus in the EU is the sale outside sweden, norway and (for now) denmark. Other than that you can import it, use it, eat it, wash your car with it, do whatever you please free from shower time with bubba and his mates!

[tn2]

I did always HATE the European Union for many reasons. I did start smoking Marlboro in 1996 when they were having a great taste, 1 mg of Nicotine and 14 mg of Tar. Then one day in 1998 I buy a pack and I feel the taste is different, they are not strong anymore. I check the pack and instead of 14 mg Tar 1 mg Nicotine I see 0.9 mg Nicotine and 12 mg Tar. Additionally, I see a lot of laser made holes all around the filter to make you breath half smoke and half air. New EU Tobacco Directive, cigs can't contain more than 1 mg Nicotine and 12 mg Tar. OK I get used with this shitty Marlboro, but one day in 2004 I feel the taste did change again. Now the filter is really full of those damned holes and the taste is like a Marlboro light. I check the pack and now it says 0.8 mg. Nicotine and 10 mg Tar. Another EU Tobacco directive, maximum Tar & Nicotine content got lowered to 10 mg tar & 1 mg Nicotine. For this reason between 2004 and 2012 I had to smoke exclusively smuggled cigarettes made outside EU. In 2012 I finally quit smoking and I skip to snus. I can get it without problems even if the sale is banned in the EU. I get used with Skruf. In July I find out I can't buy Skruf anymore and the only stuff I can still buy is V2 snus. Now I won't probably be able to get V2 stuff anymore. WHAT A DAMN NIGHTMARE !

[squeezyjohn]

Sorry - yes I meant sales are banned. Ownership is not illegal in any eU country as far as I know.

[Ansel]

Portions were already illegal to buy in Denmark. This ruling makes all snus illegal now mate.

not illegal to own but illegal to buy, right?