Use Tobacco? No job for you!!

[ABW]

Such BS..

[sirloot]

i feel this might bite them in the arse with it not being implemented in the Ky Office(s) and other states as well ... seems like the would probably be firing half their workforce in AZ and may lead to legal defence $$$ being spent.

always a kneejerk reaction... no one ever cares what the employees have to say

[ABW]

I believe your credit rating is going to be big one coming soon.

Don't even get me started on this load of crap... How can we continue to let this type of stuff happen? It's such crap.. Half the companies that are denying you a job for let's say bankruptcy have filed for bankruptcy protection themselves.. **** them and their double standards...

This pisses me off to no end.. Thank god some states are stepping in and not allowing it to take place..

Good for Washington and HI!! There are more but I don't know them all...

[devilock76]

I think it's more to do with healthcare cost than productivity.. The productivity point is part of it but mostly it's a big insurance company trying to set an example for other companies that they insure. That way, other big corporations fall in line then guess what? It saves money for the healthcare insurance company.(Humana)

Now, there are states that they can't do this in because smokers are a protected class but AZ is not one of them so that's why they are doing it here first. Ironically, Humana is not implementing this at their corporate headquarters in Kentucky. Why? Smokers are a protected class in Kentucky.. (there are quite a few states that also have laws protecting smokers)

Such BS.. What about the the poor guy that enjoys a cigar 1 a week on the golf course. He's screwd as well.. The teat can not determine levels because nicotine can be detected for weeks after use..

PS- I keep saying smokers but this is for ALL tobacco users..

The fact is obesity costs more to health care than smokers do in the long run. Smokers pay a ton of taxes per pack, supporting such health care, then smokers tend to just die. It is the obese and elderly that live on and on needing constant care.

The Clinton administration did a study on this that came to the same conclusions. Can't find it now, but most of the anti-tobacco crowd likes to pretend it does not exist.

Ken

[sirloot]

I just Wish more Employers would take the Stance : I dont care what you do or how you do it as long as what i pay you to do gets done.

Guess im lucky to have had atleast 2 employers that thought this way
What I (or you) do on my own free time is MY (or your) business !

[texastorm]

Several recent hiring practices annoy me.
Not hiring people based on what they legally do in their free time is infuriating.

The other one personally got me one time. For a job where there was no contact with money, no books to do, I was turned down because I had a poor credit score. The basis of their argument was that people with a poor credit score are more likely to steal, are likely to be lazy, and have poor work ethics. The job... driving a forklift in a warehouse. I almost sued. I mean how can you improve you're credit score if you can't be hired because you have a poor credit score? Ridiculous.

As for Humana, they will likely be sued by someone who was taking an OTC NTR treatment or something to help them quit.

I wonder though if they will be screening by optimum weight in the near future? Or better yet... "Mrs. Johnson, uhm yeah we can't hire you, your swab tested positive for a Big Mac and Fries"

[ABW]

Several recent hiring practices annoy me.
Not hiring people based on what they legally do in their free time is infuriating.

The other one personally got me one time. For a job where there was no contact with money, no books to do, I was turned down because I had a poor credit score. The basis of their argument was that people with a poor credit score are more likely to steal, are likely to be lazy, and have poor work ethics. The job... driving a forklift in a warehouse. I almost sued. I mean how can you improve you're credit score if you can't be hired because you have a poor credit score? Ridiculous.

As for Humana, they will likely be sued by someone who was taking an OTC NTR treatment or something to help them quit.

I wonder though if they will be screening by optimum weight in the near future? Or better yet... "Mrs. Johnson, uhm yeah we can't hire you, your swab tested positive for a Big Mac and Fries"

Thats what I am talking about.. It's BS.. The have no justification.. I bet you anything that company is late on it's bills has some accounts in collection and if there was even a blip on the radar of money problems they would protect themselves using bankruptcy. Then..(this makes me sooooo mad) they turn to you and say you can't drive a forklift because your have some bumps in your history..

It's like they are creating a permenate sub-class.. It's a catch 22.. You need the job to fix your credit but you can't get a job because of your credit... Some of these same companies are the ones responsible for all the job losses!! Then, they take our tax money to save themselves and turn around and wont hire the very same people they laid off and put in this position...

Everytime you put a pro big business politician in office it's another nail in the average joes life..

[justintempler]

The fact is obesity costs more to health care than smokers do in the long run. Smokers pay a ton of taxes per pack, supporting such health care, then smokers tend to just die. It is the obese and elderly that live on and on needing constant care.

The Clinton administration did a study on this that came to the same conclusions. Can't find it now, but most of the anti-tobacco crowd likes to pretend it does not exist.

Ken

But obese people are in the majority, smokers are in the minority. In a democracy it's always a whole lot easier to pick on the minority.

[badlands]

they are testing for tobacco use..what if one claims to be tobacco free but is still on the patch or nicotine gum. wouldn't this show up in an oral swab?

[ABW]

they are testing for tobacco use..what if one claims to be tobacco free but is still on the patch or nicotine gum. wouldn't this show up in an oral swab?

Yep.. No help there.. If you work there already they will let you get away with that but they are looking for nicotine... Any Nicotine.. No soup for you!!

[badlands]

Yep.. No help there.. If you work there already they will let you get away with that but they are looking for nicotine... Any Nicotine.. No soup for you!!

yup that's fascist.

[AtreyuKun]

I believe your credit rating is going to be big one coming soon.

Yeah. Which is funny because half the employees where I work are on welfare because they can't make ends meet. Managers have suggested that my wife lie and say she's a single mom so that she can apply for WIC assistance. God bless 'murica!

[GoVegan]

Yeah. Which is funny because half the employees where I work are on welfare because they can't make ends meet. Managers have suggested that my wife lie and say she's a single mom so that she can apply for WIC assistance. God bless 'murica!

How about suggesting to your employer that they pay a wage you can live on and offer a few benefits?

[EricHill78]

Well here we go... Humana in AZ is not hiring anyone who uses tobacco of any kind. And they are testing you with saliva test.. If your positive.. No Job!!

What's next? BMI, Drive a motorcycle, Enjoying a cocktail?


Can someone say it's time to come up with the antidote... Kinda like synthetic urine for drug test...

Couldn't ya just say the positive test result is due to the patch because you are in the process of quiting?

[precious007]

lol ... if Im not wrong Humana produces powder milk for babies, dont they? that somehow explains it...

but if someone realy wants to get a job there then they can flush the nicotine out of their body for 7 days before the interview/test