Snus Is as Dangerous as a Baby Bunny

[Anthony]

I made this the other day in response to all the dumb crap people in the American media say about snus, and thought I should share it with you guys. What do you think?



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[chossy]

Hi Anthony

Unfortuantely I cant see the attachment.

Good to see you here though

EDIT: I can see it now

[chossy]

Actually I have not heard what american media says about snus, any links to said media anyone can offer, would be nice, thanks

[artsnus]

chossy,
Other than of all the "etablished" facts, such as extremely low probability of getting mouth cancer (practically none) , somewhat increased probability of pancreatic cancer(8 out of 10000 for snusers vs 4 out of 10000 for non-snusers, still being debated as I understand) , children using snus instead of candy and thus getting addicted to nicotine, one of the main concerns appears to be ( at least it is of mine and I gather many share it from looking at health threads) is what it does to one's oral health (gums, teeth).

[chossy]

chossy,
Other than of all the "etablished" facts, such as extremely low probability of getting mouth cancer (practically none) , somewhat increased probability of pancreatic cancer(8 out of 10000 for snusers vs 4 out of 10000 for non-snusers, still being debated as I understand) , children using snus instead of candy and thus getting addicted to nicotine, one of the main concerns appears to be ( at least it is of mine and I gather many share it from looking at health threads) is what it does to one's oral health (gums, teeth).

WOW

Kids usnig snus instead of candy???
Is there any truth in this or something just cooked up by a reporter looking for a break? I have never ever seen or heard anyone, kids or adults snusing for candy substitute.
What I have heard and experienced a bit myself is that it can help you suppress some hunger sensations I.E cravings, but nothing of this sort.

Perhaps there are some in the american market that would be resembling candy, being sweet as many here have said??

To answer the oral aspect. Well from what dentists have told me over the years, is that yes, it can make your gums withdraw slightly, and in some cases even have your teeth loosen alot or little.
I´m not disputing this, I am aware that this is something that can happen to me.
I have been at snus for about 15 years, I´m 29 now. And my teeth are fine, my gums are fine.

So my view on this health aspect is, snusing is not safe, few things are, but it beats other tobaccoproducts all in all by miles and I wouldn´t trade it for anything else.

[artsnus]

well...googling the snus-related topics might yield idiotic articles such as this one:
http://oralcancernews.org/wp/2009/03...o-to-children/

another argument I remember reading is that the kids will use snus because it is very hard for parents to detect.

[Anthony]

Bunnies, Children, Smiles and Snus

chossy,
Other than of all the "etablished" facts, such as extremely low probability of getting mouth cancer (practically none) , somewhat increased probability of pancreatic cancer(8 out of 10000 for snusers vs 4 out of 10000 for non-snusers, still being debated as I understand) , children using snus instead of candy and thus getting addicted to nicotine, one of the main concerns appears to be ( at least it is of mine and I gather many share it from looking at health threads) is what it does to one's oral health (gums, teeth).

Snus, like all tobacco products, is illegal for children to use. Although there are super-sweet snus available in the U.S. that might appeal to kids, the whole thing about snus being cool has one huge downside... You can't see someone snusing.

While school officials around the globe may gasp at this idea, there's one important fact they forget. Every snuser in the world (like +99%) goes from smoking -- which is visible and cool, and eventually deadly -- to snus, which is just a little secret treat -- therefore, uncool -- that no one has to know about....

Except perhaps your dentist. I've thought about the same issue and while I'm no doctor, here's my advise: get regular cleanings, brush and floss regularly. If your dentist says to stop, you might want to. But then again, maybe not. If you just start smoking again, simply get some nice dentures, because fake lungs are way more hassle than a fake smile.

[artsnus]

I agree with your points as far as dentures Dr Snus. I am just curious what the teeth of older swedish snus users look like. Obviously most of us on this forum have been using it 3 years max, which I suspect is not enough time to show any real effects (just like one likely will not die of lung cancer after 3 years of smoking). I have not been able to find any oral health statistics on life-long snus users, say, in their 40's and older. Don't get me wrong - I am not an anti-tobacco agent on this forum - I love nicotine and I hope to be able to continue using it, I just always have been a bit of a hypochondriac. Plus my gums have already receeded according to my dentists (prior to my beginning to use snus). I did, however smoke for about 20 years, did other destructive things and did not have perfect oral hygiene (did not floss every day et etc...always brushed my teeth though).

[Anthony]

A call for twins

I agree with your points as far as dentures Dr Snus. I am just curious what the teeth of older swedish snus users look like. Obviously most of us on this forum have been using it 3 years max, which I suspect is not enough time to show any real effects (just like one likely will not die of lung cancer after 3 years of smoking). I have not been able to find any oral health statistics on life-long snus users, say, in their 40's and older. Don't get me wrong - I am not an anti-tobacco agent on this forum - I love nicotine and I hope to be able to continue using it, I just always have been a bit of a hypochondriac. Plus my gums have already receeded according to my dentists (prior to my beginning to use snus). I did, however smoke for about 20 years, did other destructive things and did not have perfect oral hygiene (did not floss every day et etc...always brushed my teeth though).

Perhaps we can get snusers who have been doing it for 30+ years to show us pictures of their teeth. We'd need to compare them with someone of the same age for a good comparison... but due to hereditary differences that might not be very accurate...

Here's a thought! Maybe there are Swedish twins around the age of 50, one a snuser, one not, who will send us their dental records and photos. That would be ideal.

[artsnus]

perhaps if the result of this survey yields some insignificant variations that can not be decisively attributed to snus I will happily double my snus intake. I am more or less worried about extreme consequences, such , say, 50% or the users will have the roots of their teeth exposed and what not. Please forgive my negativity - I am really just trying to be somewhat pragmatic (without having the will power or desire to simply put down one of my currently most favorite vices).

"The bump you get while using the snus will gradualy disapear since the snus will eat away at your gums. i usally put in 2 portions at once on my right side and you cant tell that i have snus under my lip. some people get the roots of the theeth exposed on the side they put the snus, and some get more uppwards. and p.s i bet you alreafy know this, but don't put the snus in the middle of the upperlip, this will burn away the little strap thing in the middle. Put the portion either on the left or the right side of the mouth and change beetween the sides alot, this minimize dameges done to the gums. But if you dont wan't the bump under the lip, focus on one side and noone can tell that you have snus under that lip."

http://www.zimbio.com/Tobacco+smokin...Swedish+Snus+1

[MasterGuns]

"Parent may not even realize that the package contains a tobacco product because of its appearance. The marketing of this “candy” and other related products is considered very dangerous for children because of the friendly appeal of the packaging."
Wow, so the Camel logo doesn't tip the parents off?
And when I was a kid, I thought motor oil bottles had appealing packaging, and often fantasized about chugging a quart or two, since it looked like caramel :roll:
Seriously though, I suppose tobacco companies might still be stabbing at the whole Joe Camel cartoonish appeal years later, but kids want to smoke for one BIG reason: they're not allowed to. That's not something you can stop. And has the thought occurred to any of these "Truth" crusaders that maybe the happy-go-lucky packaging is merely an attempt to de-stigmatize a demonized product?
"The snus is a small packet of tobacco powder meant to be put under the tongue. It is believed that they are dangerous because of the impact of the tobacco on the body. It might not mean lung cancer, but there is the danger of cancer of the mouth, tongue, or palate."
Obviously one of these crusaders did NO research here. Under the tongue? Can't say I've tried that one. And if they HAD done any research, they'd know that oral cancer is no more prevalent among snusers than among non-snusers.
I don't understand these folks anymore. The whole pancreatic cancer bit isn't even talked about by them, and it's flimsy evidence at best. Even cheap plugs of dip don't cause as much risk for oral cancer as cigarettes, and yet they bash ALL spit tobacco (that's what they insist on calling it these days) for that reason. Yet they conveniently ignore that medical nicotine replacement therapy is incredibly expensive and oftentimes ineffective, and think all tobacco users are ignorant fools.

[tom502]

I can't imagine 5-13 yr olds putting a General portion in thinking it's candy. I think they'd hate it. I think the sweet Camel snus may attract 14-17yr olds. I actually tend to think most American dip users are under 18, based on the main dip forum online.

[MasterGuns]

You're probably more right than you think. I knew many more dippers while I was in high school than I do now. So what you're sayin makes sense.

[texasmade]

well...googling the snus-related topics might yield idiotic articles such as this one:
http://oralcancernews.org/wp/2009/03...o-to-children/

another argument I remember reading is that the kids will use snus because it is very hard for parents to detect.

i had to leave a comment on said dumbasses article :lol:


http://oralcancernews.org/wp/2009/03...1/#comment-322

[justintempler]

well...googling the snus-related topics might yield idiotic articles such as this one:
http://oralcancernews.org/wp/2009/03...o-to-children/

another argument I remember reading is that the kids will use snus because it is very hard for parents to detect.

i had to leave a comment on said dumbasses article :lol:


http://oralcancernews.org/wp/2009/03...1/#comment-322

That's a reprint, Here's the link to the original article:

https://www.examiner.com/x-2955-Atla...co-to-children


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