What have I done all those years?

**Bigblue1** · 17-09-12, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by lynx23

Dear Friends,

I just recently read that using ES portions is not a good idea health wise. Not knowingly I've used Skruf ES portions for the last 3 years or so. My intake was Half a can (12 portions) a day or so. sometimes I even chainsnus ES portions. I got used to the nic. level pretty quickly so I don't really feel much of a buzz when I use. I've had some problems with heart palpilations but those could have been due to something else. Other than that my doc. diagnosed Thyroid underfunction so now I take Thyroid hormones for that but again, this could have been due to something else unrelated to snus.

In general, is it so uncommon to use ES portions exclusively? I said to my self "same price, might as well get a better buzz" Now i am worried that I might have really done something to my health all those years and that there might be consequences to my behavior.. :-(

Anyone got some advice / information regarding high nic. intake in relation to ES portions and health? it would calm me already knowing that I am not the only one using ES portions regularly. Matter of fact, I've only been using one kind of snus for all the years I've been using... after reading some posts I feel that I've engaged in helpless n00b behavior. is that so?

Best,
Thomas

No man, Your fine, I'm pretty sure some guys around here have used way more than you. Needlessly worrying about it is probably more detrimental than the usage, For sure.....

**Ansel** · 17-09-12, 11:38 PM

That's normal!

**Ansel** · 17-09-12, 11:39 PM

Skruf Stark rules!

**lynx23** · 17-09-12, 11:43 PM

Thanks for easing my mind a bit. I get anxious fast, which is a bit of a paradox in itself as the ES portion used to calm me down. Are there any guys here who use ES portions as daily snus? also, does it make sense to switch around brands and different strengths? What is your daily snus ?

I have a bigger problem now; I can't get my Skruf anymore because of the SM Ban in Europe. I am already desperate as I am using my last can right now which willl last me until Wed. If I am conservative.. I don't know where to go from here because it sucks to be withdrawing when you have a very stressful week at work, you can only imagine... what would be the quickest way to get my hands on some quality snus asap?

Thanks friends!

**Roo** · 17-09-12, 11:47 PM

I use ES snus exclusively. Odens Original ES, Extreme, Thunder, Skruf ES... love all that. I don't notice increased heart rate, but I would never exercise with snus in, especially a strong one. Do you exercise at all? My advice is to not worry about the snus, take fish oil supplements, don't overdo it on the cholesterol, eat your veggies, and get 30 mins of exercise 3-5 times per week.

**Ansel** · 17-09-12, 11:51 PM

You could smoke for a couple of days which would then make it easier to step down to 8mg snus which may be easier to buy.

**Ansel** · 17-09-12, 11:53 PM

Where do you live?

**lynx23** · 17-09-12, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Roo

I use ES snus exclusively. Odens Original ES, Extreme, Thunder, Skruf ES... love all that. I don't notice increased heart rate, but I would never exercise with snus in, especially a strong one. Do you exercise at all? My advice is to not worry about the snus, take fish oil supplements, don't overdo it on the cholesterol, eat your veggies, and get 30 mins of exercise 3-5 times per week.

I've done some stronger cardiac exercise with a ES portion in a few times and nothing strange happened But I assume, after your post, that it is not a good idea? is it that much of a health hazard ?

**lynx23** · 17-09-12, 11:57 PM

Hey Ansel, I really don't want to start with the smokes again, I've sworn smoking off a long time ago and going down that road again is disgusting to me :-( I live in the Netherlands right now finishing my Phd.
I usually oder through snus.de but the last order I placed on sept 12th didn't come in, which is unusual. I've emailed them and got the following answer today:

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Hi,

we are sorry for the delay.

As we use this delivery option for the first time, I cannot make any
predictions, sorry – but all in all we chose this one to make things
go better/faster, of course … so it would be indeed very
important for us to know how it’s working.

So I would ask you to contact us when the shipment arrives, even if it’s
Later than usual, because we need this data.

Thanks for your cooperation!

**Ansel** · 17-09-12, 11:59 PM

Can you drive across to Malmo, or maybe get a train there?

**bill77.017** · 18-09-12, 12:18 AM

Lynx23, don't worry. I use ES Snus all day, ( Extreme Los ) and love it. I've heard it does raise your blood pressure a little when you use it though, but so far, it hasn't done me any harm. But Roo is right, look after your self, stop worrying and you'll be fine. Maybe you could switch back and forth, say a strong Snus then a regular 8 or 9 mg Snus, and so on, if that would make you feel better.

**Skell18** · 18-09-12, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by bill77.017

Maybe you could switch back and forth, a strong Snus then a regular 8 or 9 mg Snus, and so on, if that would make you feel better.

This is what I do, it is quite easy to step down to 8mg snus, you use a few more for the first few days but then yo settle back into the 8mgs, when you go back on the starks yo use less, get back to normal then go down to 8mgs again. I tend to do it because of the snus I happen to take out the freezer or feel like using. I am on an 8mg kick atm but last month I hardly didn't have a sterk or an extreme in my mouth. I find its easier too if I am using a snus I like the taste of too

**whalen** · 18-09-12, 01:01 AM

Man, I have to watch the ES portions! Yes I have atherosclerosis, Which finally clogged a couple of arteries and that led to a Quintuple bypass. Now, I eat right, I work out at the gym hard every other day, but I am very sensitive to a ES portion. I chain 9 mg all day, and I have to spit out and chill for an hour before cardio workout.

I monitor my BP all the time, and it goes up with an ES portion, every time, it constricts the blood vessels. If you are young and healthy, go for it, but If you start noticing heart paps or get anxious on an ES, you just might need to get a second opinion from a doctor. Yes I know, they all tell you to quit, and that just is not going to happen. But if your own system starts having problems with the increased nic, well................... Listen to what it is telling you. Lots of you are young and very resilient, But guess what, that does not last.

They definitely would kill me if i used them exclusively. That is a fact, uptake seems to be the key. I often have one, but sometimes i have to takeit out suddenly and let things chill a bit, more often i have to take one and press it in a napkin to mellow it out.

My point is that I think that if you are noticing a problem, think it through, I am not an invalid, far from it, I just have been chopping and splitting wood for hours with no problem, then I popped in a fresh portion and had to chill until the initial nicotine effects wore off.

ES snus does have an effect, the question is if you tolerate it well. I don't, and I know PP does not either, and there have been several others who developed problems. Here is the thing, I have a very fine tuned knowledge of what it feels like to overdo it, and a BP cuff has confirmed it, not that I need a cuff to tell me.

My favorite snus of the day is right after the gym when i am enjoying the lower blood pressure effect from Cardio workout. I know what my heart is doing all the time, I have learned to listen to it, it tried to tell me something was wrong, but I was not listening.

**phantom** · 18-09-12, 01:21 AM

I get palpitations from Nicotine and caffeine if I dont take my Nadolol, that little pill keeps them from bothering me.

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