Detox Diets

[truthwolf1]

You could always try those foot detox pads and eat whatever you want. You just place them on the bottom of your feet when you go to sleep and they will pull out all the toxins by morning. lol

[snusgetter]

You could always try those foot detox pads and eat whatever you want. You just place them on the bottom of your feet when you go to sleep and they will pull out all the toxins by morning. lol

I heard they also do away with your toenails as they detox the nicotine from them.

Where can you get false toenails?
Or do you just make do with false fingernails and hope no one notices!! lol



[citation to follow sometime this century ....... or the next]

[charmando]

So what exactly is the stance you are trying to take and what information are you basing your beliefs off of? or just playing devil's advocate. I know for a fact there where experiments done with schizophrenics- they were alleviated or cured of most of their symptoms through a 25 day water fast. I can't find it now but stumbled upon this - http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1981/emay81/jap.shtml Don't knock until you try it man. I can attest to being alleviated of brain fog during a two week water fast, and was cured of a fungal infection through fasting and sauna therapy. my doctors had no idea what it was and all the cortisone cream they were smearing on me only made it worse. As for the tumor studies, there haven't been any or i can't find any. So are you just assuming every testimonial about fasting eliminating a fibroid tumor and so on are fabricated. But do what you want and just listen to your drs, you know they went to school for this kind of stuff they must know how to treat every ailment perfectly. just take your pills people thats always the answer humans want, right? something that takes little effort. The medical industry doesn't benefit from your return visits and pill shopping and make sure you get all your flu shots or you'll die. sorry for caring

[devilock76]

So what exactly is the stance you are trying to take and what information are you basing your beliefs off of? or just playing devil's advocate. I know for a fact there where experiments done with schizophrenics- they were alleviated or cured of most of their symptoms through a 25 day water fast. I can't find it now but stumbled upon this - http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1981/emay81/jap.shtml Don't knock until you try it man. I can attest to being alleviated of brain fog during a two week water fast, and was cured of a fungal infection through fasting and sauna therapy. my doctors had no idea what it was and all the cortisone cream they were smearing on me only made it worse. As for the tumor studies, there haven't been any or i can't find any. So are you just assuming every testimonial about fasting eliminating a fibroid tumor and so on are fabricated. But do what you want and just listen to your drs, you know they went to school for this kind of stuff they must know how to treat every ailment perfectly. just take your pills people thats always the answer humans want, right? something that takes little effort. The medical industry doesn't benefit from your return visits and pill shopping and make sure you get all your flu shots or you'll die. sorry for caring

There are plenty of reasons to "knock it before you try it" when it comes to unsubstantiated health claims. I mean if I told you that a milkshake made from my dogs feces would cure you of everything from general malaise to decapitation should you just go ahead and try it with no evidence to back up my claim? I mean should I tell you don't knock a dog feces shake till you try it?

Incidentally if anecdotal evidence is a bad thing to base a claim on, then anecdotal evidence of schizophrenics I would wager is even worse.

"Brain Fog", isn't that the made up disease they tell Tom Hanks he is going to die of in the movie Joe Versus the Volcano? Perhaps you should have tried jumping in a volcano?

I never advocated any kind of treatment, but if I did, I would be able to back it up with study data, or at least accepted scientific concepts, or at least warn that my experiences were my own and yours may vary. The reason anecdotal evidence is bad is it eliminates the entire concept of a control group which is a tenet of good scientific testing. For all any of us know your fungal infection was a product of bad hygiene habits and that is why the sauna treatment worked. Not saying it is or it isn't but what part of your experience conclusively eliminated that as a factor?

I will say to your credit the yoga link actually references some real studies. I don't have the time to look at the studies in detail so I will take it at face value that they had evidence that supported the theory they claim. I can't attest to it being good science or not. But that is what I am talking about. There are plenty of things out there worth looking at. You shouldn't just trust your doctor with any pill he or she hands you, do your damn home work. That is all there is to it whether it is accepted or not practice. But with the holistic approaches I have a lot of skepticism because across the board they tend to lack in any type of clinical trials data or for that matter a basic scientific foundation as to why they work.

Good science has no biases or pre-conceived notions, it just wants to find the answers, and tends to find more questions in the process.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Basically you're talking about starvation.... :^)

The main reason you'll loose pounds heavily that way is because you're not feeding your body with protein, and it will use the existing protein in your system ....

I was reading earlier that a human body can leave at most 75 days with water alone, depending on your weight you might make it a bit less than 75 days....

I am quite familiar with starvation mode and I can tell you right now that I am not in starvation mode. There is a minimum number of calories a male adult of my age needs each day and I do take the maintenance amount of calories but just don't "over eat" like I was before. So more like just restricting calories to the lower limit rather than actually hitting starvation mode. My lean muscle mass has increased as I have been carefull to make sure protien is a big part of my diet, and I also drink protien shakes occasionally.


I'm gonna wait a few more months before I decide if this is a good long term plan or not, but right now I pretty much only get hungry later in the day and then eat whatever I want, and that seems to be having a major effect and I feel great. This may turn out to not work in the long run, but it's worked consistently for a full month and I havn't put any real effort into it, so i'm gonna let it keep going to see what happens lol. I'll let everyone know if I die or not.

[charmando]

Not really buddy. i'll try to make this easy for you fasting has been used for therapeutic purposes since the 1800s. Fasting is safe and the vitamins that you would usually be receiving through food can be replaced by supplements. Drinking dog feces has no history and many health risks such as ingesting parasites and other unwanted organisms. There is plenty of substantial evidence, maybe you can make some sense of it. I'm not going to cite any of this because i'm recalling from memory but you can try to prove me wrong with evidence. About one third of a human's entire energy consumption is used in digestion and processing food. The rest is used through moving, rebuilding tissue, talking, producing hormones, detoxifying body, etc. The digestion part of this is the only thing we have full control over. digestion is an enormous process beginning with the creation of enzymes in your mouth to break down food, peristalsis of the food, then more creation of enzymes such as pepsin and hydrochloric acid plus the churning of your stomach. this all depletes energy because it is hard work. then moved to small intestine, pancreas, production of bile etc etc etc. foods are broken down into simple nutrients such as amino acids and distributed to blood and the you poop. Now if a slowly degenerating body can free up energy this energy can be used to heal organs. bodys workload is reduced and now has energy to distribute where it is most needed,
when fasting your body will access nutritional reserves stored in tissues and starts to convert fat into sugar for fuel. This requires far less energy than getting these nutrients while eating. the extra energy will be used for boosting immune system, rebuilding bad organs, breaking down deposits of toxins. don't expect to have more energy though as your body will be hard at work and blood sugar will be dropping for the fist few days. considerations for a safe fast. duration there will be a gradual elimination of toxins in body and nutritional reserves stored. you have to stop fasting before you enter starvation mode or your health will be at risk. two some people are too toxic that waste released from body can too strong and abundant to be processed safely. for this reason you should reduce caloric intake for two months before fast and eat only raw foods during this time to free up addictions and detoxify body significantly before fast starts. As always you should never accept advice blindly and i encourage anyone who is not getting medical relief or just doesn't feel right to research and read up on fasting. it does not have to be extreme as a water only fast and there are alternatives such as juice fasting, or raw foods.

I really don't want to go into all my symptoms before i started fasting a couple times a year and reducing caloric intake but my cognitive abilities and happiness had reached an ultimate low and through countless visits to the doctor i realized i had to start taking responsibly for my own health as all the so called doctors dismissed my symptoms. i've never seen that movie but i see you remarks as being very insensitive and would probably choke you out and tea bag u if you said that to me in person. most of this seems to be common sense and is just an extreme version of the ideas behind cutting down caloric intake. if anyones interested ill try to find some of the books i read a couple years back and post them

edit: since none of this is cited it works like this- the body heals better when it has more energy.
fasting frees up energy. therefore a fasting body will heal quicker than a non fasting body. use common sense or evidence to dispute this not just "show me a study." last if you intend to fast do your own research and daily enemas are necessary to expel mucous created that is usually used to help pass stools.

[sgreger1]

Not really buddy. i'll try to make this easy for you fasting has been used for therapeutic purposes since the 1800s. Fasting is safe and the vitamins that you would usually be receiving through food can be replaced by supplements. Drinking dog feces has no history and many health risks such as ingesting parasites and other unwanted organisms. There is plenty of substantial evidence, maybe you can make some sense of it. I'm not going to cite any of this because i'm recalling from memory but you can try to prove me wrong with evidence. About one third of a human's entire energy consumption is used in digestion and processing food. The rest is used through moving, rebuilding tissue, talking, producing hormones, detoxifying body, etc. The digestion part of this is the only thing we have full control over. digestion is an enormous process beginning with the creation of enzymes in your mouth to break down food, peristalsis of the food, then more creation of enzymes such as pepsin and hydrochloric acid plus the churning of your stomach. this all depletes energy because it is hard work. then moved to small intestine, pancreas, production of bile etc etc etc. foods are broken down into simple nutrients such as amino acids and distributed to blood and the you poop. Now if a slowly degenerating body can free up energy this energy can be used to heal organs. bodys workload is reduced and now has energy to distribute where it is most needed,
when fasting your body will access nutritional reserves stored in tissues and starts to convert fat into sugar for fuel. This requires far less energy than getting these nutrients while eating. the extra energy will be used for boosting immune system, rebuilding bad organs, breaking down deposits of toxins. don't expect to have more energy though as your body will be hard at work and blood sugar will be dropping for the fist few days. considerations for a safe fast. duration there will be a gradual elimination of toxins in body and nutritional reserves stored. you have to stop fasting before you enter starvation mode or your health will be at risk. two some people are too toxic that waste released from body can too strong and abundant to be processed safely. for this reason you should reduce caloric intake for two months before fast and eat only raw foods during this time to free up addictions and detoxify body significantly before fast starts. As always you should never accept advice blindly and i encourage anyone who is not getting medical relief or just doesn't feel right to research and read up on fasting. it does not have to be extreme as a water only fast and there are alternatives such as juice fasting, or raw foods.

I really don't want to go into all my symptoms before i started fasting a couple times a year and reducing caloric intake but my cognitive abilities and happiness had reached an ultimate low and through countless visits to the doctor i realized i had to start taking responsibly for my own health as all the so called doctors dismissed my symptoms. i've never seen that movie but i see you remarks as being very insensitive and would probably choke you out and tea bag u if you said that to me in person. most of this seems to be common sense and is just an extreme version of the ideas behind cutting down caloric intake. if anyones interested ill try to find some of the books i read a couple years back and post them

edit: since none of this is cited it works like this- the body heals better when it has more energy.
fasting frees up energy. therefore a fasting body will heal quicker than a non fasting body. use common sense or evidence to dispute this not just "show me a study." last if you intend to fast do your own research and daily enemas are necessary to expel mucous created that is usually used to help pass stools.

1/3rd of the bodies energy is spent on digesting food, but 100% of your bodies energy comes from consuming food. So you are reducing your consumption (i.e. energy input) by 100% just to save 1/3 of it from being burned? That's a net loss, it's like saying that fire spends 1/3rd of it's energy causing combustion, therefore to get more fire we should remove the fuel source entirely?

And fasting slows down your metabolism since we are animals and our bodies try to fight the effects of fasting for survival reasons. So when you fast, your metabolism slows down, so you are not getting back that 1/3rd of energy one normally consumes in digesting food, your body will just start digesting everything more carefully and slowly and suck up the most juices from it. I don't see how fasting could result in a net benefit though, and every time I fast I feel pretty damn drained, but then afterwards I feel good as shit. I agree that fasting works for me too but I am not sure that I see the logic behind this explanation.

[devilock76]

Not really buddy. i'll try to make this easy for you fasting has been used for therapeutic purposes since the 1800s. Fasting is safe and the vitamins that you would usually be receiving through food can be replaced by supplements. Drinking dog feces has no history and many health risks such as ingesting parasites and other unwanted organisms. There is plenty of substantial evidence, maybe you can make some sense of it. I'm not going to cite any of this because i'm recalling from memory but you can try to prove me wrong with evidence. About one third of a human's entire energy consumption is used in digestion and processing food. The rest is used through moving, rebuilding tissue, talking, producing hormones, detoxifying body, etc. The digestion part of this is the only thing we have full control over. digestion is an enormous process beginning with the creation of enzymes in your mouth to break down food, peristalsis of the food, then more creation of enzymes such as pepsin and hydrochloric acid plus the churning of your stomach. this all depletes energy because it is hard work. then moved to small intestine, pancreas, production of bile etc etc etc. foods are broken down into simple nutrients such as amino acids and distributed to blood and the you poop. Now if a slowly degenerating body can free up energy this energy can be used to heal organs. bodys workload is reduced and now has energy to distribute where it is most needed,
when fasting your body will access nutritional reserves stored in tissues and starts to convert fat into sugar for fuel. This requires far less energy than getting these nutrients while eating. the extra energy will be used for boosting immune system, rebuilding bad organs, breaking down deposits of toxins. don't expect to have more energy though as your body will be hard at work and blood sugar will be dropping for the fist few days. considerations for a safe fast. duration there will be a gradual elimination of toxins in body and nutritional reserves stored. you have to stop fasting before you enter starvation mode or your health will be at risk. two some people are too toxic that waste released from body can too strong and abundant to be processed safely. for this reason you should reduce caloric intake for two months before fast and eat only raw foods during this time to free up addictions and detoxify body significantly before fast starts. As always you should never accept advice blindly and i encourage anyone who is not getting medical relief or just doesn't feel right to research and read up on fasting. it does not have to be extreme as a water only fast and there are alternatives such as juice fasting, or raw foods.

I really don't want to go into all my symptoms before i started fasting a couple times a year and reducing caloric intake but my cognitive abilities and happiness had reached an ultimate low and through countless visits to the doctor i realized i had to start taking responsibly for my own health as all the so called doctors dismissed my symptoms. i've never seen that movie but i see you remarks as being very insensitive and would probably choke you out and tea bag u if you said that to me in person. most of this seems to be common sense and is just an extreme version of the ideas behind cutting down caloric intake. if anyones interested ill try to find some of the books i read a couple years back and post them

edit: since none of this is cited it works like this- the body heals better when it has more energy.
fasting frees up energy. therefore a fasting body will heal quicker than a non fasting body. use common sense or evidence to dispute this not just "show me a study." last if you intend to fast do your own research and daily enemas are necessary to expel mucous created that is usually used to help pass stools.

And since how long have we been using leaches and other archaic practices, should we bring those back as well. There is a reason the worlds average life expectancy has gone up since the 1800's, and it is not romanticism of the dark ages and their practices.

Actually dogs eat their own feces, you see a lot of overweight dogs do you? How about wolves. Hmmm, maybe there is something to be learned there. I mean don't knock it till you try it.

There is a large history of it being used, being effective and proven effective is another matter.

Tell me how did you MEASURE your improved cognitive ability? What were the before and after figures? List all the other environmental factors that you monitored in that process please.

So let me get this straight, you got more energy by cutting out your body's only source for energy. By that logic I should be able to drive my car faster on an empty gas tank. That is just brilliant, call the president, you have just solved the energy crisis by use of throwing out The Conservation of Energy Law, a very basic of Physics. BRAVO.

Ken

P.S. Paragraphs are your friend. If anything they might make you BS that lacks even a shred of empirical data look at least like some artful prose. Did I make it easy enough?

PPS. Please forgive my sarcastic bile, I aim more for truth through humor than truth through bile, but the misinformation spread of things like this actually irks me, it is not you I am critiquing it is your blind adherence to something with no proof yet you criticize blind adherence to modern medicine which actually has the data to back its claims, and continues to test it self over and over again to learn more and to find better answers. (although usually the answer they are looking for is how to charge you more for the next 'big thing')

[charmando]

I'm not saying all modern medicine is bad. There are way too many factors that will play into the average life expectancy and I don't believe that's a valid argument. Its the fact that many americans receive medicine unnecessarily and blindly accept anything their doctor suggests. Antibiotics are obviously a good medical breakthrough but its detrimental to your health when you use them too often. you get diarrhea because they kill the good bacteria in your stomach and reduce your internal gut flora. (any time you must use antibiotics follow up with cultured yogurt or any form of probiotics. Trauma victims have a significantly better chance of living after an accident and I will commend these doctors.

How can you compare the organs of animals that are adapted to eating raw foods to a human? They are also eating their own feces, not the feces of a different animal, so if they had preexisting parasites or diseases there is no harm done. but that's just a ridiculous statement so i'm not going to argue it.

So if something hasn't been proved effective through scientific studies yet, it is false? Do you really believe anyone in the medical industry would publish that fasting has the ability to cure many ailments. We live in a culture where teenagers are being prescribed amphetamines (adderall) when it is known to disrupt dopamine production and negatively affect the adrenal gland. There are so many addictions in today's society it is disgusting (snus is my only one ) You've had a death in the family and are depressed here are some antidepressants that can cause kidney failure but you'll feel numb and happy. In fact we'll make the commercial super depressing so we have some more prescriptions to fill.

I was in a bad mental state a couple years ago, trust me it's not fun to be a sophomore in college and not be able to drink alcohol or socialize. My grades drastically dropped for two semesters, I had terrible word recall, was depressed, alcohol intolerance, and was developing signs of autism. (couldn't connect with other people or look them in the eye. Take into consideration I was a very sociable happy person before the symptoms developed and worsened for a year. It all started with a bad case of tonsillitis where I was treated with antibiotics unnecessarily three times. (the doctors didn't have any other options. After the tonsillitis passed I would drink moderately, get absurdly drunk (even though i used to be able to drink twice that amount and feel fine the next day) and not be able to function for the next four days. My family and friends noticed this and every one was concerned for me as they believed I must have been taking some sort of drugs. How do you explain that all of this was cured gradually over three months time through fasting and eating healthier. I was suffering with these symptoms for a year before fasting. I don't need scientific studies to confirm that my mental health and physical health was in trouble and that they were improved through my own efforts.


Your bodily functions are not equivalent to a cars. Like I said nutrients are stored in your tissues and these are the ones accessed when you start fasting. So you are getting these nutrients without eating foods and therefore are saving energy. my personal experience- the first three days you will feel like shit. I would worry if sick or toxic fasters did not complain about their weakness. They should expect to feel energyless. In fact, the more internal healing and detoxification the body requires, the tireder the faster feels because the body is very hard at work internally. This is why I recommend a juice fast which is not as extreme and detoxification is gradual. vitamins are also suggested during fasting but they should be chewed or will not be digested.

Paragraphs just for you! people like you that won't open up their minds for one moment really irk me. I dont have blind adherence to anything, people that live every day listening to what their dr.s tell them are the ones who are blind. I don't believe that dr.s are evil, but do realize that many are misinformed and only know how to "heal" through the use of a pill. It is the pharmaceutical companies that are evil . Notice how doctors never suggest an alternative herbal medicine because companies can't patent natural products and make profit. This is why the EA is trying to ban all herbal supplements so people will be forced to use chemicals that can be patented. Look it up. It's not about treating symptoms, it's about eliminating the underlying cause for these symptoms which modern medicine rarely does. Most diseases begin with colds, flu, sinusitis, psoriasis etc. If these secondary eliminations are suppressed with drugs (either from the medical doctor or with over the counter remedies), if the eating or lifestyle habits that created the toxemia are not changed, and toxic load increases, the body then begins to store toxins in fat or muscle tissues or the joint cavities, overburdens the kidneys, creates cysts, fibroids, and benign tumors to store those toxins. If toxic overload continues over a longer time the body will eventually have to permit damages to vital tissues, and life-threatening conditions develop.The conventional medical doctor does not view disease this way and sees the symptoms of secondary elimination as the disease itself. So your doctor is actually halting the remedies instituted by the body by stopping the undesirable symptom and then, the symptom gone, proclaims the patient cured. Actually, the disease is the cure. This is what todays doctors do- treat colds with antihistamines until the body gets influenza; suppress a flu repeatedly with antibiotics and eventually you get pneumonia. Or, suppress eczema with cortisone ointment repeatedly, and eventually you develop kidney disease. Or, suppress asthma with bronkiodialators and eventually you need cortisone to
suppress it. Continue treating asthma with steroids and you destroy the adrenals; now the body has become allergic to virtually everything. Why you protect these people really confuses me.

Do you really think all the symptoms that I have eliminated are a fabrication of my mind. The relief my father gets for his bad knees by using celery seed extract must also be a placebo (i have also helped him change his diet supplements are usually not enough alone) . I would never suggest something I wasn't sure about and only hope people explore alternatives because of my natural compassion for my brethren. Honestly it is impossible for my to describe the healing that occurs during a long water fast. I only hope to reach out to some people and even if you don't believe me at least question everything you are being led to believe. Even though I feel that you are a lost cause I'm happy you are scrutinizing what i say. Also be aware that if you go into a fast with a nicotine addiction the discomfort will be much worse. I've also cured a heart murmur which I was diagnosed with at the age of 8 and have eliminated a cyst in my neck and earlobe which developed a few months into my illness. I'm not trying to sell anything and don't really see why anyone would be motivated to make these things up. Sorry for being so serious but I don't like to joke around about my health and am very passionate about this subject as it has dramatically changed my standard of living.

[WickedKitchen]

Geesh...talk about gettin' the poison out.

I went with a generally reduced calorie diet too and it's worked well for me. I did however change significantly what I eat on a daily basis. I don't think too many diets, or people for that matter put enough emphasis on fiber. You don't even need supplemental fiber either though psyllium is a gift from the gods. I also think that putting lots of good things in by default reduces the amount of bad things I eat. This only works providing you kinda keep track of the calories you consume and stop when you get to your desired limit.

I don't know. I look at it like a lifestyle rather than a diet. I can absolutely agree with the sweat comment. I never made the connection but my odor has definitely changed too. I've moved to a fiber breakfast, a fruit lunch, and a sensible dinner. The dinner is pretty friggin' big, but it's usually pretty good stuff. That being said, I've had a great week and tonight I have a desire for pizza and beer.

My wife talks about doing a green apple detox diet. Only granny smith apples for four days. I tell her to go on with her bad self but it hasn't happened yet. Her body doesn't retain anything though. She's skinny as a rail and can eat 3500 kcal/day. It makes me sick 'cos it's a bad idea for me to even make eye contact with a package of Chips Ahoy cookies.

To me, the thing about fasting and shocking your body does cause it to operate differently. I think it's a human defense mechanism, kinda like a self preservation state. Your body will adapt to it's environment. If food is scarce it will use it more efficiently. That's the only problem with not eating all day then eating garbage even if it's under the calorie limit. You will loose weight consuming less than you expend, even if it's 100% Big Macs (albeit at a different pace) but there will be a cumulative effect.

When I was in college I was convinced that swallowing larger pieces of food (ie not chewing enough) would stave off the hunger for a longer period of time due to the stomach taking longer to break it down. I don't know...I did a lot of stupid shit in college.

I'm impressed with this thread though...all this talk about getting the poison out and not a single comment about those special flashlights. Wow.

[precious007]

I'm not saying all modern medicine is bad. There are way too many factors that will play into the average life expectancy and I don't believe that's a valid argument. Its the fact that many americans receive medicine unnecessarily and blindly accept anything their doctor suggests. Antibiotics are obviously a good medical breakthrough but its detrimental to your health when you use them too often. you get diarrhea because they kill the good bacteria in your stomach and reduce your internal gut flora. (any time you must use antibiotics follow up with cultured yogurt or any form of probiotics. Trauma victims have a significantly better chance of living after an accident and I will commend these doctors.

How can you compare the organs of animals that are adapted to eating raw foods to a human? They are also eating their own feces, not the feces of a different animal, so if they had preexisting parasites or diseases there is no harm done. but that's just a ridiculous statement so i'm not going to argue it.

So if something hasn't been proved effective through scientific studies yet, it is false? Do you really believe anyone in the medical industry would publish that fasting has the ability to cure many ailments. We live in a culture where teenagers are being prescribed amphetamines (adderall) when it is known to disrupt dopamine production and negatively affect the adrenal gland. There are so many addictions in today's society it is disgusting (snus is my only one ) You've had a death in the family and are depressed here are some antidepressants that can cause kidney failure but you'll feel numb and happy. In fact we'll make the commercial super depressing so we have some more prescriptions to fill.

I was in a bad mental state a couple years ago, trust me it's not fun to be a sophomore in college and not be able to drink alcohol or socialize. My grades drastically dropped for two semesters, I had terrible word recall, was depressed, alcohol intolerance, and was developing signs of autism. (couldn't connect with other people or look them in the eye. Take into consideration I was a very sociable happy person before the symptoms developed and worsened for a year. It all started with a bad case of tonsillitis where I was treated with antibiotics unnecessarily three times. (the doctors didn't have any other options. After the tonsillitis passed I would drink moderately, get absurdly drunk (even though i used to be able to drink twice that amount and feel fine the next day) and not be able to function for the next four days. My family and friends noticed this and every one was concerned for me as they believed I must have been taking some sort of drugs. How do you explain that all of this was cured gradually over three months time through fasting and eating healthier. I was suffering with these symptoms for a year before fasting. I don't need scientific studies to confirm that my mental health and physical health was in trouble and that they were improved through my own efforts.


Your bodily functions are not equivalent to a cars. Like I said nutrients are stored in your tissues and these are the ones accessed when you start fasting. So you are getting these nutrients without eating foods and therefore are saving energy. my personal experience- the first three days you will feel like shit. I would worry if sick or toxic fasters did not complain about their weakness. They should expect to feel energyless. In fact, the more internal healing and detoxification the body requires, the tireder the faster feels because the body is very hard at work internally. This is why I recommend a juice fast which is not as extreme and detoxification is gradual. vitamins are also suggested during fasting but they should be chewed or will not be digested.

Paragraphs just for you! people like you that won't open up their minds for one moment really irk me. I dont have blind adherence to anything, people that live every day listening to what their dr.s tell them are the ones who are blind. I don't believe that dr.s are evil, but do realize that many are misinformed and only know how to "heal" through the use of a pill. It is the pharmaceutical companies that are evil . Notice how doctors never suggest an alternative herbal medicine because companies can't patent natural products and make profit. This is why the EA is trying to ban all herbal supplements so people will be forced to use chemicals that can be patented. Look it up. It's not about treating symptoms, it's about eliminating the underlying cause for these symptoms which modern medicine rarely does. Most diseases begin with colds, flu, sinusitis, psoriasis etc. If these secondary eliminations are suppressed with drugs (either from the medical doctor or with over the counter remedies), if the eating or lifestyle habits that created the toxemia are not changed, and toxic load increases, the body then begins to store toxins in fat or muscle tissues or the joint cavities, overburdens the kidneys, creates cysts, fibroids, and benign tumors to store those toxins. If toxic overload continues over a longer time the body will eventually have to permit damages to vital tissues, and life-threatening conditions develop.The conventional medical doctor does not view disease this way and sees the symptoms of secondary elimination as the disease itself. So your doctor is actually halting the remedies instituted by the body by stopping the undesirable symptom and then, the symptom gone, proclaims the patient cured. Actually, the disease is the cure. This is what todays doctors do- treat colds with antihistamines until the body gets influenza; suppress a flu repeatedly with antibiotics and eventually you get pneumonia. Or, suppress eczema with cortisone ointment repeatedly, and eventually you develop kidney disease. Or, suppress asthma with bronkiodialators and eventually you need cortisone to
suppress it. Continue treating asthma with steroids and you destroy the adrenals; now the body has become allergic to virtually everything. Why you protect these people really confuses me.

Do you really think all the symptoms that I have eliminated are a fabrication of my mind. The relief my father gets for his bad knees by using celery seed extract must also be a placebo (i have also helped him change his diet supplements are usually not enough alone) . I would never suggest something I wasn't sure about and only hope people explore alternatives because of my natural compassion for my brethren. Honestly it is impossible for my to describe the healing that occurs during a long water fast. I only hope to reach out to some people and even if you don't believe me at least question everything you are being led to believe. Even though I feel that you are a lost cause I'm happy you are scrutinizing what i say. Also be aware that if you go into a fast with a nicotine addiction the discomfort will be much worse. I've also cured a heart murmur which I was diagnosed with at the age of 8 and have eliminated a cyst in my neck and earlobe which developed a few months into my illness. I'm not trying to sell anything and don't really see why anyone would be motivated to make these things up. Sorry for being so serious but I don't like to joke around about my health and am very passionate about this subject as it has dramatically changed my standard of living.

Interesting view :^)

I've been going through depression for quite a few years... and found that detoxifying my body helps from time to time.

Have you used clean fasting? (only water? and for how long?)

[captncaveman]

This detox crap is just that man crap.... its nothing but a placebo effect. LOL cured a heart murmur really???? Most murmurs are harmless and you shouldn't even give a shit about. Now if yours wasn't harmless you probably HAVE a ****ed valve in your heart or even a GD hole. I'm not a fu*king doctor but going on a water fast wouldn't repair a damn valve or hole in your heart. Hell man there is a number of thing that could cause a murmur high blood pressure, anemia, fever... were you ill when you doctor listened to your heart? ever have strep throat? You notice your joints swelling a lot? Rheumatic fever can **** with your heart. Was your Doctor even worried about you evil murmur? IF IT ISN'T A DAMAGED VALVE OR A HOLE GUESS WHAT THE MURMUR WILL ACTUALLY GO AWAY!!! Bananas right! I should know i had a murmur as a child.

As stated I had a heart murmur as a child as well, mine is gone. Hell it must be the spiderman underwear i wore that cured it. Precious all you need to do is wear spiderman underwear case closed!!

Hey I have a rock I will sell you it keeps tigers away... you wanna know how it works? Well I really don't know how it works but I haven't seen any tigers!!! Who needs scientific proof!

EAT RIGHT, DRINK PLENTY OF WATER, GET MORE EXERCISE.

By the way any family history of say i dunno.... depression? Any family history of any diseases? Do you know you family's dark dirty medical secrets?

And yes.. all you doctor wants to do is sell you prescription dugs.... because the 6 years plus in med school was just a sham. All they did was drink get laid and laugh about how much pills they will make suckers take.

Now go chew on some tree bark and drink plenty of water from a near by stream, because tap water is filled with estrogen, fluoride, fecal matter... al Qaeda wants you to drink the tap water..... oh and i almost forgot make sure you have your tin foil hat on... they can hear your thoughts. Well come on they must be able too because Osama some how harnessed to f0cking power of cell technology how else could a guy make a phone call a cave with miles or earth above him.. right (my cell cuts out when driving underneath an over pass).

[precious007]

Precious all you need to do is wear spiderman underwear case closed!!

What are you guys talkin' about ...

LoooooL

From the ancient times (romans have been using detoxifying plants ..... and the chinese are well known for their miraculous plants and diets .... )

Just dig dipper and you'll find your answers :^)

By the way any family history of say i dunno.... depression? Any family history of any diseases? Do you know you family's dark dirty medical secrets?

Of course we do :^)

You just don't have the right knowledge that's all and making statements .... there's a bit of truth in what you've said about the pills...... I didn't take a single pill in years ..... since I've learned my lesson but there's natural supplements .... that are overly tested and 100% natural that can help with dozens of health issues .....

Anyways.... water fasting has given results..... and definitely exercising....

[captncaveman]

Oh there is natural remedies.. I'm not denying that. But water isn't magic.

[captncaveman]

isn't it better to take penicillin then blindly eating mold? Kava Kava is a natural remedy for ADD or IBS...... but then we found out it could f@ck up your liver (liver toxicity). Natural isn't better, that is why we have educated persons called Doctors.