Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters!

[tom502]

And then attacked Afganistan. Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

[justintempler]

And this is the reason Ron Paul will never be President as he desires to be.

He doesn't even have a clue what the reason for not wanting the mosque is. He always wants to talk about radical left or radical right and take their views not the views of the average left or right leaning person.

The problem here is not about whether they want to build a mosque. It is about the fact that for years the liberal side of politics has been attempting to eliminate every form of Christianity from the public. That includes the part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says "under God" and punishing students who speak of God in a public school.

Yet these same liberals now decide that they choose to "protect" the freedom of religion only because they are trying to "appease" the Islamic world by making it seem that by allowing them to build a mosque there would be an act of respect.

Since when has a liberal ever wanted to protect the freedom of religion unless it involves appeasing to the Muslim world? Never. Anything to do with Christianity and they want it eliminated from society as a whole. But this is their way of trying to stop the required preventative wars in the middle east to stop terrorism. They believe that if they appease the Muslims by catering to their desires that they will inherently begin to like us and all will be well. The problem is that almost all Muslims are peace loving people but there is a fringe that needs to be eliminated by all means necessary for the safety of the entire world. This radical Islam does not care if it kills its own people, it only needs to kill one "infidel" to be successful. These are the demons and devils that must be stopped. No matter how much we try to cater to the as Ron Paul wishes to do, they will never stop trying to kill anyone who does not practice this radical Islam.


This simply is not about whether they have the right to build a mosque, they do have the right. They simply should not out of even self respect to build it in the same building where the landing gear of one of the airliners tore through on the one day radical Islamists claim as their most proud day. That is just absurd for a so called peaceful mosque build that is attempting to bridge a gap between a religion and people to partake in. If he wanted to bridge the gap he would have decided to fund a center which had numerous worship centers within it that had areas for all religions to go in and reflect on the terrible tragedy that occurred at this location.


Ron Paul -100 on this one. I like a lot of his ideas but this is just so idiotic that it shows why his approval gets high right before primaries but then drops like a rock when he starts talking in a more broadcasted public medium closer to elections.

If you don't like the freedom of religion we enjoy in the USA you can always move to China where only "state approved" buildings of worship are allowed.

[sgreger1]

I mean, what if someone wanted to build a giant Klan church, do the resident have a right to say if they want it or not? Or a gay club, or an adult bookstore?

I'm about to bust a Rand Paul and say something that is going to be misinterpreted:

First of all, a klan center is not a religion and therefore is not afforded the same protections as a church. That being said, I believe anyone should be able to build what they want on private property as long as it does not violate zoning laws etc. If you want to build a clubhouse for racist idiots to come be morons together, that is their right. Protest it night and day, don't do business with them etc, but do not allow the gov to tell people what they can do with their property. If we give gov this power, there may be a day when they decide to exercise this power and choose who gets to build what where. This means tea party properties may be shut down, or political disidents may have their businesses shut down etc. We have to think outside of the moment here. Remember Bush's "free speech" zones? That is what this will amount to but with religion.



And about the community should have a say thing. I agree with that if it were like how it used to be, where the states did their own thing and each community had their own rules and enforcers etc. That's not how it works now. Ontop of that, popular opinion can sometimes be wrong. In the south, slavery would have never been abolished because 70% or more of the people there supported slavery. If there was no higher moral authority than alabama would still be filled with cotton plantations today, because the community wanted it that way. Same with civil rights, womens rights, gay rights, etc etc. None of those were ever very popular when they first came around, but we have to stand by our vision of freedom. It is so easy to take the easy route and just do it like other countries have, but again that makes us like everyone else and our ancestors came here with a vision of creating something special. We're the major world power now, let's lead by example.

[sgreger1]

It seems to me the citizens should decide what they allow in their neighborhood. Why not have a vote? But I see both sides too. But I guess the opposition can stand in front of it every day and protest and harrass it's members, they do that at abortion clinic and Scientology churches.

Tom, you are exactly correct. Let the free market and public opinion dictate this situation. Let gov stay out of it. If people want to block the streets protesting it, or refuse to do business with the mosque or anyone who does business with the mosque, than that is fine. I just don't want the gov to have the power to make snap decisions. Private citizens may do as they please as long as it's within the law. Hassling them day and night and boycotting them may work and they may shut down, or they may do well and service the local muslim community to their satisfaction. It's the free market and it's how we decide things around here.

[Darwin]

Exactly sgreger. Our freedom just doesn't go in one direction. Anyone is free to build anything they want anywhere they want, zoning laws permitting, and people are free to protest the building of anything anywhere anytime they want. One is as legal and constitutional as the other. If you don't like that circumstance and think that people should not be allowed to protest what they don't like then proceed with getting the constitution amended. Good luck.

[tom502]

I don't know many active Muslims are in that area, but it's so majorily disapproved of, making some giant building may be a big business failure. I wonder what the revolutionmuslim site says of this? They are in NY.

[sgreger1]

Exactly sgreger. Our freedom just doesn't go in one direction. Anyone is free to build anything they want anywhere they want, zoning laws permitting, and people are free to protest the building of anything anywhere anytime they want. One is as legal and constitutional as the other. If you don't like that circumstance and think that people should not be allowed to protest what they don't like then proceed with getting the constitution amended. Good luck.

Exactly, it is as much a right to protest the building as it is to build it. I just think gov should have no say, I understand why people are pissed, and they should be. If the french had committed 9-11 and then they wanted to build a french embassy there, people would be pissed. It is the same for everything. People should be free to use their property as they wish, but people should also be free to call out something they dont like when they see it.


In the end, the market will determine this. I dont think they would be spending this much money if they thought it wouldnt be profitable. There are a lot of muslims in new york. Lets be fair and let them do the thing. It's like if one tea partyer blew up a building, should we not allow them to assemble on their private property anymore?

[tom502]

And Islam, like early Christianity, would build their mosques on top in their defeated enemies holy sites.

[devilock76]

I'm on the fence with this. It's not like there arn't any Islamic centers in New York already, and I think the will of the people should count some too. I mean, what if someone wanted to build a giant Klan church, do the resident have a right to say if they want it or not? Or a gay club, or an adult bookstore? I do believe in freedom, but I also think the residents should have a say. Like where I live there is a lot of little ghetto liquor stores with bums hanging out all around them, and if someone wanted to open one up next door or on the corner, and my block did not want this, the will of the people should count.

Wait are you comparing a Muslim center (as it is not a mosque) or more importantly Islam with the KKK, gay clubs, and adult bookstores?

What you are missing in the problem is this, the first part of the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Ergo the government saying that this cannot be built there violates the first amendment.

Of course this all misses the fact that the center is 4 blocks and some change away from ground zero, you can's see one from the other and there is already an existing mosque (yes an actual one) that is closer (about 3 blocks) that has been there since before the trade center was even built and there have never been any problems from that mosque, or protests or anything before or after 9/11.

This is xenophobia, it is getting embraced in America and that is truly dangerous.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Wait are you comparing a Muslim center (as it is not a mosque) or more importantly Islam with the KKK, gay clubs, and adult bookstores?

What you are missing in the problem is this, the first part of the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Ergo the government saying that this cannot be built there violates the first amendment.

Of course this all misses the fact that the center is 4 blocks and some change away from ground zero, you can's see one from the other and there is already an existing mosque (yes an actual one) that is closer (about 3 blocks) that has been there since before the trade center was even built and there have never been any problems from that mosque, or protests or anything before or after 9/11.

This is xenophobia, it is getting embraced in America and that is truly dangerous.

Ken

Exactly right, except that the muslim center will contain a mosque IN it. The entire building is not a mosque though, so referring to it as just a mosque is a big misleading.

[tom502]

[sgreger1]

Westboro Baptist Church:






Remember, every large group always has a fringe element. Based on the picture above, should we ban all churches withing a 10 block radius of ground zero? Or even better, people are protesting mosques all over the country now, should we abolish all churches across the country? These are questions we must answer if you start playing favorites and denying freedom of religion.

[tom502]

That's not Betty Crocker's cookbook in their hands.

[devilock76]

Tom here is a picture just for you:

[devilock76]

The KKK fancies themselves Christians, I am sure you will find them with Bibles in hand.

Ken