Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters!

[sgreger1]

I'm pretty sure most people prefer to live right where they do... As for visiting other nations, 1 month from now I will be kicking back drinking cocktails on Juara Beach on the island of Tioman, off the coast of the Malay peninsula. While obviously not a hardline theocracy, Malaysia's state religion is Islam. That's right, I will be drinking hard alcohol and beer, as both are readily available, and enjoying the freedom to do whatever the hell I want. Malaysia is a multi-religious country which allows the freedom to practice any faith, yet by constitutional definition, it is an Islamic state. There's your perfect example of "moderate Islam", and just one example at that.

I'll post pictures of the nice "Islams" I meet on my trip, and I'll be sure to ask them if they support violent jihad against America, and if they kinda want to kill me

Edit: lol nice post lxskllr!

Yah most Islamic places will serve beer, especially ones that are kind of touristy. Only if your religion prohibits you do you no drink beer, like if your mormon or islamic. But it's not illegal to sell in most places. Shit, you can get alcohol in Iraq.

[tom502]

Is this the place where that woman drank beer and was arrested, and about to caned or something? I think it was.

[Bigblue1]

f.uck Tom, you just don't give up do you. No offense man you are persistent to say the least.....

[tom502]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33056630
Beer-drinking Muslim woman's caning gets OK
Malaysian judge upholds verdict that triggered international uproar

[jamesstew]

Now to fuel the third angle, the NWO crowd.

YESSS!!!!!! I love it when those guys get riled up.

[NonServiam]

Would you rather live in a "Christian Nation", or an "Islamic Nation"? If you had to choose between these two.

As much as I disagree with Christianity and it's poisonings, I would much prefer to live in a Christian nation than an Islamic nation. It's the lesser of two evils and culturally more appeasable to me. Although the extremists in either faction would probably burn me at the stake should they get the chance.

Even though I disagree with Christianity and it's oppressive tendencies, I believe that it is however the fabric of the U.S. in conjunction with other cultural ideas, and once these threads of our fabric are compromised and pulled from the quilt of the U.S., we will begin to slowly fray at the edges and unravel. Which is already occurring. Although, some of the founding fathers were more of Deists, Christianity has definitely become part of the foundation of this country.

I could be wrong, but didn't many other great civilizations begin to deteriorate once they allowed outside cultural influences to be interwoven and take precedence, which then compromised their founding.

There is the ever popular "melting pot" argument. But the majority of the immigrants through Ellis Island, came here to be Americans. They assimiliated. They shed most of their homeland culture. Sure they brought some other cultural influences in: cuisine, music, etc... But they predominantly took on the ways of their host.

We have many immigrants today that still fly the flag of their homeland and not the American flag. They are not here to be "Americans" they are here to live (mooch) in America.

[Ainkor]

Would you rather live in a "Christian Nation", or an "Islamic Nation"? If you had to choose between these two.

I've been reading and following the thread for a bit but this is an interesting question here. Thankfully we are not a Christian nation here in the US regardless of what either side of the debate wants you to believe.

Now, before I say what I would prefer, I would encourage everyone to think about how extremist Christians can be. Lets look at some tame situations in America:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9102443/

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Is it hard to think that without a strong central and local government that these groups would take it to the next level?
What about the abortion clinic bombers? What about the ridiculing gay folks get? Religion breeds hate, simple enough. its human nature. We don't like others that don't believe in what we do.

I'll share a bit of a personal story with you about my wife and I. I got her pregnant when we were 17 years old. Imagine being told by a founding member of the local baptist church that an abortion was the only option? Or imagine going to a teen pregnancy crisis center and being told that we should give our kid up, for his sake and betterment. Also imagine being scorned by both of our families for "living in sin".

Obviously, we survived, have three great kids, believe in God, and do very well but imagine in a "Christian" nation were the laws of the bible are held up. Would it be any different than a Islamic nation? If you really read the Bible, you know the consequences listed there for just about any of deviant behaviors that we all know and love.

Thats why it is so important to not have ANY state sponsored religion. It's not just about the laws, but its really about the people who enforce their opinion of said laws. People are flawed and leaders more so. Get into a position of power and things gets squirrely in a vast majority of the instances.

Build the damn mosque, I really don't care. This is America, land of the free, home of the brave, and toleration of things you may not agree with.

[sgreger1]

I've been reading and following the thread for a bit but this is an interesting question here. Thankfully we are not a Christian nation here in the US regardless of what either side of the debate wants you to believe.

Now, before I say what I would prefer, I would encourage everyone to think about how extremist Christians can be. Lets look at some tame situations in America:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9102443/

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Is it hard to think that without a strong central and local government that these groups would take it to the next level?
What about the abortion clinic bombers? What about the ridiculing gay folks get? Religion breeds hate, simple enough. its human nature. We don't like others that don't believe in what we do.

I'll share a bit of a personal story with you about my wife and I. I got her pregnant when we were 17 years old. Imagine being told by a founding member of the local baptist church that an abortion was the only option? Or imagine going to a teen pregnancy crisis center and being told that we should give our kid up, for his sake and betterment. Also imagine being scorned by both of our families for "living in sin".

Obviously, we survived, have three great kids, believe in God, and do very well but imagine in a "Christian" nation were the laws of the bible are held up. Would it be any different than a Islamic nation? If you really read the Bible, you know the consequences listed there for just about any of deviant behaviors that we all know and love.

Thats why it is so important to not have ANY state sponsored religion. It's not just about the laws, but its really about the people who enforce their opinion of said laws. People are flawed and leaders more so. Get into a position of power and things gets squirrely in a vast majority of the instances.

Build the damn mosque, I really don't care. This is America, land of the free, home of the brave, and toleration of things you may not agree with.

In all fairness, your sighting the fringe elements and trying to pain all christians in that light, just like some are paintain all muslims to be terrorists. There a billions of christians on the planet and only a few hate fags or bomb abortion clinics etc. Most churches let anyone join, regardless of orientation, and most americans (and christians) dont agree with blowing ANYTHING up.


I too am glad we live in a non-religiousely controlled nation. Everyone should be free to worship whoever they want, but the government shouldnt be run by any one group. We've already tried that in the past.

[NonServiam]

Either nation ruled by the literal (verbatim) writings of Abraham or Muhammed, would not be an enjoyable place to live. Fortunately though, for every nutjob who interprets scripture literally, there is a hundred who do not believe in the violence which is commanded upon unbelievers.

But on the other hand, if your moderate friendly Christians/Muslims disregard the unpleasant writings of their book, yet take the other writings to heart as "the word of God", are they truly a Christian/Muslim? I would assume "the word of God" is something in their faiths which is not open to interpretation and should be taken at face value, or as "gospel" as they would say. Perhaps the nutjob extremists are actually practicing the faith as it was intended.

As far living in a "non-religiously controlled nation", I can see that argument if you compare us to some of the other countries, but when you have politicians in power (usually right wing) that are fundamentalist Christians (if not borderline) it is only human nature that their religious convictions will influence their decisions, which then effects us. The left wingers are even worse in my opinion, sure they support secularism and tend to be more tolerant of the non-mainstream, but that is only at a much larger cost of their tyranny. Damned if you do.....Damned if you don't. Either way, grab your ankles and prepare for a screwin'

[tom502]

Majority Christian nation vs. majority Muslim nation. It's obvious people in other nations are flocking to the majority Christian nations. Most Christians have a distruct of the government, and don't want them to dictate how they practice their faith. Muslims, though often believe an Islamic Theocracy based on Sharia is the ultimate goal, which is not open to religious freedom, just look at the Sufis and Baha'is in those countries, not to mention the Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists.

[Darwin]

Religious tolerance is decidedly not a feature of majority Islamic countries in the middle-east, to put it as mildly as possible. Regarding the "Community Center" in NYC it is proof, if any were really needed, that just because something is not illegal or prohibited does not make it ipso facto a good idea. Siting a mosque on the property line of a pig farm or a rendering plant might be legal but it would be a stunningly stupid idea. The government should have nothing to say about this but the people affected by such decisions have every right to be exercised to whatever legal level is allowed and those who think that such feelings are bigoted and/or racist should have their say as well. Greg Gutfield has suggested opening a gay bar adjacent to the proposed project and that would be clearly provocative and insensitive, but not illegal. If the center's proponents go ahead with their plans it will be equally provocative and insensitive and just as legal. A court of law does not operate by the same principles as the court of public opinion. As long as public opinion does not entail violence it should be given at least as much weight as the protections of the constitution. If the developers of the center persist and somehow get the facility built they will have well and truly earned the enmity of their neighbors but by george it will be legal. Legality does not equal advisability.