The job 'Have-Nots' - a brilliant examination of the GOP's cruel mindset-Drug Testing

[WickedKitchen]

You could start there and I'd agree with you on some points, but as it is many businesses are moving jobs overseas because it's financially better for them to do so. From a business standpoint I can't blame them. But there's more to it than just money.

I am part of a US manufacturer that makes a product that just about every home in the country needs. We buy US materials only, we manufacture here, well in PA we pay people well and we charge more money for our products than our competitors. We survive on the spirit and attitude of our leaders that drive the sales force to actively sell the product. Other companies are making more money than us due to outsourcing. I'll tell you this though, we beat every single one of them on quality and value hands down and have for 32 years.

I don't subscribe to the 90% tax rate thing for this reason: If I invented a widget that cost me say $18 to produce and get into the hands of the consumer. Let's say I sell it for $19 thus making $1 profit. This is after taxes, insurance and the lot. All good so far. Then I think hey, if I take a boat load of money and advertise, market, produce, and what not and come up with 20 million of these widgets. If my marketing plan bombs and I'm left with 19.9 million of these things and a massive loss of money nobody is going to care. It was my risk and it failed. Now if it catches on and it sells now I made $1 profit 20 million times in a year people have a problem with it and think that I don't have the right to earn that kind of money and still lay someone off because the people in one particular part of the country doesn't buy my product for some reason or another. It doesn't really matter what the reason is...if they don't buy I'm out. I guess that truly is take what you can while you can too but for some reason it gets looked at differently.

I guess putting it back into the economy is good in the short run, but it double effs the problem. By doing this we are fostering consumerism without the means to pay for it. It's not logical. Due to the current situation it might be necessary, but it's a long-term failure I predict.

[RobsanX]

I think we as a nation are overpopulated, we have too many births, too many low-class births, too many illegals, the schools and trade schools are scams, and all the jobs are sent out of the country.

Overpopulation is a problem, but not a crisis at the moment. Sending jobs overseas is a HUGE problem, especially manufacturing jobs going to China and Mexico. This is where our "Free Trade" policies have gotten us. They are free to take all the jobs, and we are free to buy all the crap they ship here. Except now we no longer have disposable income to dispose on their goods, and it will only get worse unless something is done about it.

Here is WI, plant after plant is closing and moving operations to foreign countries that have no unions, little safety or environmental regulation, poor human rights records, and government funded health care. It's a damn shame that mega-rich executives would kick their loyal employees to the curb for a few extra pesos. Then bitch about paying for health care and government health care while they ship jobs to countries that already have government health care, but they aren't paying for it. Hypocrites, all of them!

The Tea Party thinks they are something? Try living in a country with nothing but super-rich and poor/working-poor. Without a middle-class this country will go to hell fast, and there will be a revolution unlike anything we've seen. "Let them eat cake" is not a sustainable economic policy.

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I disagree with you about schools, only because my education is from public schools, trade schools, and universities. All of them have helped me advance my career, and I feel that you get out of them what you put into them.

[NonServiam]

The over qualified don't usually get the lower jobs even if they beg. It's because the person hiring them is afraid they either know more or are willing to do whatever it takes to feed their families.

Exactly. When my sister-in-law was finishing her degree in teaching, she applied at the local Wal-Mart to earn a little cash while she was still in college. The only openings they had were cashiers. My sister-in-law was turned down because they said a college education over-qualified her for a cashier position. No wonder those cashiers sack a car battery on top of my eggs!

Disclaimer: My opinion of my local Wal-Mart cashiers does not reflect the worth ethic and quality of other Wal-Mart cashiers across this great nation. Just my local wally world

[lxskllr]

I am part of a US manufacturer that makes a product that just about every home in the country needs. We buy US materials only, we manufacture here, well in PA we pay people well and we charge more money for our products than our competitors. We survive on the spirit and attitude of our leaders that drive the sales force to actively sell the product. Other companies are making more money than us due to outsourcing. I'll tell you this though, we beat every single one of them on quality and value hands down and have for 32 years.

That's a good policy. It's a shame more companies don't take that approach. Almost everything in this country is based on fake money, and appeasing shareholders comes before doing the right thing. This capitalist system is severely broken, and we're going to pay the price eventually. We haven't even seen a preview of what is to come. More, more, more is unsustainable, and will eventually fail. A company's success is based on making more this quarter than they did last quarter. Why is that? What's wrong with making the same amount? Nothing is wrong with it in the world of real money, but in the world of fake money, that's how a company loses(definition of loss would be useful here, but I don't know what that is in the pretend world). Eventually there won't be any room for growth, then we'll all be SOL. The planet's resources will be depleted, and there won't be anywhere to go but down....

[truthwolf1]

I believe that the current economy is the new economy. Things are not going to get any better anytime soon. A two year adjustment to this new crap of a country is about as good as it gets. Salaries in my field have been stagnant since the year 2000. I have adjusted and it sucks but that is how it is now. Give this country another 10 years and my salary will probably be cut in half.

The days of being overpaid compared to the rest of the world are over. That is all slowly coming to a end as we join the global economy and this has all been planned for us. We will have it better then a majority of countries in the world but dont think it will ever go back to what it was.

[TheJanitor]

I think we as a nation are overpopulated, we have too many births, too many low-class births, too many illegals, the schools and trade schools are scams, and all the jobs are sent out of the country.

Wow.You do realize some of the greatest people from this country came from very poor families?These "low-class births" are the people who make the clothes you wear,process the food you eat,and clean up after you.

[tom502]

By low-class birth, I mean births by usually single mothers, on government aid, with 4-6 kids. These are often in ghettos, section 8, and trailor parks. These kids have no positive environment, no father figure, poor, often the parent is a substance abuser. These kids usually repeat the cycle, fail in school, get into crime, and pull the nation down.

[truthwolf1]

By low-class birth, I mean births by usually single mothers, on government aid, with 4-6 kids. These are often in ghettos, section 8, and trailor parks. These kids have no positive environment, no father figure, poor, often the parent is a substance abuser. These kids usually repeat the cycle, fail in school, get into crime, and pull the nation down.

I think many of these children contribute to society by creating jobs in prison construction, prison services and employment in running those prisons. The courts, lawyers, police, hospitals and shelter providers also feed their families because of them.

[tom502]

That's not a positive social contribution in my view, considering the negatives. While in a way you are being factual, I don't think you are being serious.

[NonServiam]

It is very difficult for these children to escape the cycle when they are subjected to that kind of an environment. Many don't make it out. The few that do almost always had someone reach out to them to inspire, motivate, and mentor them. The movie The Blindside comes to mind. It was the true story of pro football player Michael Oher. A young boy from the projects that became a ward of the state and was moved from family to family until someone finally took the initiative to better him. It was actually a good movie, and it has Sandra Bullock in it...rarrrrrr!

[truthwolf1]

It is pretty backwards to have a society that lives off of the poor and continues the cycle.

I dont think there is anything positive about it.

[tom502]

I don't think it'll ever happen, we'll reach Soylent Green territory first. But personally, I would advocate a population control implementation.

[wadetheblade]

you guys make me think of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

[timholian]

Wow, just wow.

Lotsa judgment getting thrown around, remind me if I ever need help with anything not to come here for it. You know whats worse than losing a job? Having everyone around you telling you that you are lazy and a drain on the American people. There are people that abuse the system..... but lets not throw them all in the fire to get to the ones that deserve it. I guess compassion and empathy are weaknesses I can not shake.

[wadetheblade]

Tim, I hope your not referring to my sarcastic post.