The job 'Have-Nots' - a brilliant examination of the GOP's cruel mindset-Drug Testing

[snusgetter]

Sound familiar??

Wow, just wow.

Lotsa judgment getting thrown around, remind me if I ever need help with anything not to come here for it. ...

This thread is better than any 'reality' show...

Been checking out these posts and trying to digest all of the comments...

Luckily my best friend is always handy!
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(from some of the comments I know I'm not alone)

[tom502]

Personally, while it's easy to blame "the people", be it someone who can't find a job, or crack dealers living in public housing(and yes, they often can be lazy no-good bums, with criminal tendencies), it's really the ultimate fault of the government that has failed it's people(as a whole) so much, that it's become the enemy of the people(the nation), and their liberal agendas and tactics to enable and pander to, and reward bad behavior with doled out free government aid, and zero responsibilities, and with a totally ruined economic job situation, it makes me wish a foreign power could give us regime change.

[timholian]

This thread is better than any 'reality' show...

Been checking out these posts and trying to digest all of the comments...

Luckily my best friend is always handy!
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(from some of the comments I know I'm not alone)

LOL!
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle
I still lub yall though....if I can ever help out one of you gentlemen, let me know.

[timholian]

Personally, while it's easy to blame "the people", be it someone who can't find a job, or crack dealers living in public housing(and yes, they often can be lazy no-good bums, with criminal tendencies), it's really the ultimate fault of the government that has failed it's people(as a whole) so much, that it's become the enemy of the people(the nation), and their liberal agendas and tactics to enable and pander to, and reward bad behavior with doled out free government aid, and zero responsibilities, and with a totally ruined economic job situation, it makes me wish a foreign power could give us regime change.

Isn't that treason? lol

[tom502]

The treason is from the White House, the enemy of the American people. I'd want that treasonous regime changed.

[timholian]

The treason is from the White House, the enemy of the American people. I'd want that treasonous regime changed.

But by a foreign power??? Thats just not right, imo. I didnt sever in the Army to warm it up for a foreign power.

[tom502]

Well, I'd prefer Paul/Ventura 2012. But it just irks me how fallen things have become.

[timholian]

Well, I'd prefer Paul/Ventura 2012. But it just irks me how fallen things have become.

Dude... I can not agree with that pairing any stronger than I do. I am more of a Ron instead of Rand though.

Edit: eh errr... we kinda went off topic... if my off topic posts get deleted I will not protest.

[sgreger1]

Stew, all you do is bitch about Cali, maybe things are different in the land of nuts and honies.... just saying

Nothings different, it's the same in any state in the union. Being underemployed sucks, but it is better than not being employed. The reality is that yes we pay into unemployment and therefore have a safety net, but after 2 years, that net starts turning into a crutch. Danielan is right, once their two years are up, you'll start seeing them taking all these jobs I always see help wanted signs posted at and then Obama will say "look, unemployment numbers are down!".



I know people are unemployed here and I feel for you, i've definately been there before. You just gotta keep trying. If you try and try and no success, than it's time to rethink your strategy and what line of work you are applying for. This is about survival, not politics. You must assess your situation, then improvise, adapt and overcome.

[Bigblue1]

Yeah, 2 years is a long time, I have to admit I didn't even realize that people were getting paid for that long. Like I said before I didn't even watch the clip. Most people I've known who were collecting are now back at work, or like said before are finding other ways to make a living. So I don't retract my sentiments, because I think UE insurance is necessary. I also want to re-iterate that It is unemployment insurance, not benefits. This program should run like other insurance policies. But once again the Gubment fraks up another one. When things are rolling they suck it in and that slush is nice, but all of sudden when it's really needed by the people who have already paid for it we find it's basically insolvent, then we need more tax money to prop it up it, at the worst possible time. I don't know I just hate the gubment so much, and know there's good people out there who need this right now. I think that's all I have on this subject for now.

[sgreger1]

Yeah, 2 years is a long time, I have to admit I didn't even realize that people were getting paid for that long. Like I said before I didn't even watch the clip. Most people I've known who were collecting are now back at work, or like said before are finding other ways to make a living. So I don't retract my sentiments, because I think UE insurance is necessary. I also want to re-iterate that It is unemployment insurance, not benefits. This program should run like other insurance policies. But once again the Gubment fraks up another one. When things are rolling they suck it in and that slush is nice, but all of sudden when it's really needed by the people who have already paid for it we find it's basically insolvent, then we need more tax money to prop it up it, at the worst possible time. I don't know I just hate the gubment so much, and know there's good people out there who need this right now. I think that's all I have on this subject for now.

This is why I am concerned that the government has taken an intirest in running our health insurance. Our unemployment insurance is ran poorly and our retirement insurance (Social Security) is also run poorly. They like to give a lot of shit out and take less than what they pay out. It's nice to get free things but it needs to be done in a sustainable way. A little common sense in this country could lead to reasonably priced healthcare, a safety net for the unemployed, and a retirement system that takes care of our elders witout bankrupting the entire nation, Common sense is all it takes, we can still have nice things.



The problem is we have the left handing out free money to deadbeats or handing out too much money to hard working people, which acts as a disincentive to continue to be hardworking. Meanwhile the right is giving all our money to corporations through subsidies and corporate welfare and/or tax cuts for the rich (WHY ARE THERE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH. THAT MAKES NO SENSE). Therefore no matter who you vote for it is unsustainable at this point, because since the pendulum of power swings to one side or another, money will continue to bleed out of our nation for some time to come. Honestly, as definately to the "right" as I am, I would prefer we waste money on people and not on wars and corporate welfare. I would truly, honestly rather have my tax dollars buying a bag of weed for some homeless dude than to be giving the George Soros types another million dollars in tax cuts this year. Honestly.




LX: After reading your take on this thing, which I found mirrors my views in a lot of ways, I have decided you have made the best post on this thread. The gov has become the enemy and we are all stateless and unrepresented, we just havn't collectively accepted that yet. The American way is survival and individualism, so get it however you can, bite scratch and claw your way through life, because that's the only way to survive in a system that inherintly has a deficit of resources and surpluss of demand.


If I was in the ghetto and couldn't get work, I would be selling crack, because that's how to pay the bills in the concrete jungle habitat. Will kids die? Is it bad for society? Yes, but they have made a choice to buy and I have made a choice to sell something in demand, therefore I have followed the american way and am surviving. Like any animal, survival is the real goal, we gotta feed our kids and keep feeding into the gene pool, and if that means that to survive 1 monkey has to sell poison to 2 other monkeys who are willing to buy it, than I choose to be that 1 monkey. Does it suck? Yep, but my family will eat tonight.

[WickedKitchen]

it was probably my post. My views are quite harsh at times. Even my wife can't believe some of the spew that comes out of my mouth.

I'm speaking of the concept of financially supporting someone's "worth" for a longer period of time. I mean, in the end it has to be done. Society would completely break down to an anarchical state rapidly if all of the sudden the unemployed were no longer supported. Nobody would advocate for that. It just speaks to the mindset of it all. People's rational behind their beliefs is the fodder here, well for me it is anyhow.

I don't think there's a viable solution really due to simple human nature. Competition is an instinct. It's a survival thing. This very primal drive is present to varying degrees in all of us. It causes humans to act differently than animals. We are unpredictable due to greed, deceit, and what have you. Animals operate on instinct and we humans have this advanced thing in our skulls that we rely on to make decisions. Here we have a group of people that is making decisions for other people. The unpredictability of people and their feelings and differing of opinions between them immediately comes to the surface.

If it was me, I didn't mean anything personally against anyone. In a perfect world each and every case would be handled appropriately, but it isn't that way. Blanket policies don't work for everyone yet in order to keep order they need to be put into action in one way or another...now I've got to go to the effin dentist to get these stitches taken out. Ugh.

[Joe234]

I think we as a nation are overpopulated, we have too many births, too many low-class births, too many illegals, the schools and trade schools are scams, and all the jobs are sent out of the country.

Maybe you can revive the Nazi party and Eugenics? Kill all the undesirables.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

I've never been on unemployment or worker's comp so I'm not sure how it works. I do know there's a category in my paycheck deduction for something called FICA which, I assume, is unemployment insureance so I must assume this is a govt. "bennie" which the recipients have paid for. On the other hand, seems like congress is voting to extend this benefit every time they turn around. Was this some sort of bottomless committment? How far does it go?

[snusgetter]

What is FICA?

... I do know there's a category in my paycheck deduction for something called FICA which, I assume, is unemployment insureance so I must assume this is a govt. "bennie" which the recipients have paid for. On the other hand, seems like congress is voting to extend this benefit every time they turn around. Was this some sort of bottomless committment? How far does it go?

"FICA is the acronym for the Federal Insurance Contributions Act. This act mandates that an employer withhold a set percentage of an employee’s salary each pay period. FICA also requires that the employer match the employee’s amount and contribute the money to a government account known as the Social Security Trust Fund. This fund provides retirement income, as well as disability insurance, Medicare, and benefits for survivors.

FICA was the result of the Social Security Act of 1935, proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt." etc

The answer to your questions: As with any legislation, more and more bennies are tacked on ad infinitum (yes, every time the pols turn around.)!!

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-fica.htm