Fall of the Republic

[sagedil]

I was very clear here, I said if someone was gonna try and proselytize here, then it would be a fight. I have no issues with someone posting their opinions, however I will not sit idly by if someone thinks THIS is a forum that is appropriate to proselytize.

There is a huge difference. What you said Roo about respecting each other

[chadizzy1]

pros⋅e⋅lyt⋅ize [pros-uh-li-tahyz]
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -ized, -iz⋅ing. to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte; recruit.

(for anyone else who is wondering what that word means, because I had no idea.)

[Bigblue1]

Don't worry Chad, sage had to look it up as well
We all are proselytizing here a lot of the time. Every time you explain something to somebody and try to get them to see your way, you proselytize. It is no different than saying "I tried to get him to see my point of view." It's just a big word that sounds scary to most. Kinda like CO2, NaCl, or di-hydrogen oxide. Get my point for using it now... I'm out for the night CYA Friends...

[chadizzy1]

That was my favorite part of that video because I've said that to people before.

<someone in class> *drinking bottled water*
<me> ...wait, don't drink that, they put dihydrogen monoxide in that!
<them> *spits it everywhere*
<me> :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sagedil]

Don't worry Chad, sage had to look it up as well
We all are proselytizing here a lot of the time. Every time you explain something to somebody and try to get them to see your way, you proselytize. It is no different than saying "I tried to get him to see my point of view." It's just a big word that sounds scary to most. Kinda like CO2, NaCl, or di-hydrogen oxide. Get my point for using it now... I'm out for the night CYA Friends...

Umm yes, about snus. But not about religion or politics here please. There are other places on the net for that. And you are a bit off. Trying to get someone top see something my way is different than getting someone to change their mind and agree with me. Proselytizing, your word, has very specific implications

And Blue, you did know I got my BA in Rhetoric from Berkley, didn't you?? :wink:

[chadizzy1]

And Blue, you did know I got my BA in Rhetoric from Berkley, didn't you?? :wink:

Interesting. Did you go to Berkley when it was "Hip"?

[sagedil]

Well I was there, so what the hell do you think?? :lol: :lol: :lol:


But yes, I was there and radicalized during the anti-apartheid movement. I was on the nine year plan, told my dad to take his money and games and take a flying fu** so had to wait about 3 years until I was 24 and could get financial aid to finish on my own. So there from 83 -92

[RRK]

And Blue, you did know I got my BA in Rhetoric from Berkley, didn't you?? :wink:

With a specialization in the styles of pathos, I presume.

[justintempler]

...It's just a big word that sounds scary to most. Kinda like CO2, NaCl, or di-hydrogen oxide...

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[VBSnus]

Guys the whole point of the movie is, F#ck the left / right donkey / elephant paradigm. They are the same thing.

I am getting so tired of this argument. Not from you since I don't know you and won't make assumptions as to your arguments or whatever, but in general.

Dramatized Example: "After two glorious non-socialist-communist-muslim-marxist-indoctrinating terms of President Bush, the corrupt terrorist palling islamofascistmarxbuddy Barack the Islamic Shock Hussein Obama is destroying the nation. The point is, they're both bad. Vote Republican!"

If you want to make this argument (again, not you specifically, but people in general), then walk the ****ing walk.

Stop complaining about the "mainstream media" which Fox, the highest grossing News corporation in the USA, tells you is bad.

Stop focusing on bills in Congress going through our political process formed not only on the Constitution but centuries of case law which you claim MAY infringe on our Constitutional rights while turning a blind eye to wiretapping and a man who once said the Constitution was just a piece of paper. Instead of focusing on what you think Obama will do with your guns, focus on what Pres. Bush did with your civil liberties. Instead of focusing on how Obama did not speak often with a General who was out of line by complaining to the media and who was well under the President in the chain of command (and was therefore 'spoken with' via conventional means), focus on how we ignored Afghanistan for years and focused instead on a (possibly much) less meaningful war.

Realize that if you advocate personal responsibility, that means you can't try to push all of Bush's mistakes on Obama because they're not 'fixed' within a year of Presidency. Realize further that you can't call the current recovery of the economy "Bush's Recovery" as Fox News recently tried to do.

Realize that if you believe in the Constitution, the elected officials are the choice of the people and make the laws. Not to say you can't speak out, but don't call it an Obamanation and shout for calls of revolution when the duly elected officials of this nation don't listen to your "tea parties". If "the people have spoken" is valid when the President was elected by the electoral college but not the popular vote, it better be valid when the President wins by a landslide.

Stop being an apologist for big corporations, when you claim that they are the source behind all of our problems. Government healthcare is bad, allow healthcare corporations to earn whatever they want off of peoples lives and keep control of healthcare in the hands of the company you work for? How does that make sense?

Stop saying that the government needs to stay out of our business while protesting gay marriage. Stop bitching about schools doing "Winter Holiday" vs "Christmas" while also demanding that "Halloween Parties" should be "Fall Parties". Freedom of Religions does not mean Freedom of Christianity.

Stop acting like the rest of the world is so much worse than the USA. The fact of the matter is that many other countries have things as good or better than we have here. Humility is just as important as Pride, and other nations may have something to teach us. We ARE a young nation, believe it or not.

Stop bitching about goofy and corrupt groups like ACORN when Bush and Cheney has a complete private army at their disposal (Blackwater) which was outside the bounds of many of our laws.

Stop quoting the Constitution when it suits you. Realize that the Constitution was formed over 200 years ago in a time when the framers never would have conceived that we would have the means to sustain our own lives via amazing breakthroughs in medicine, but the rights to this treatment would be in the hands of corporations who existed only to make profit by denying people these treatments.

If you want to do something about it, stop paying your taxes. Stop supporting these corporations which are supposedly behind the scenes on all Presidents (but especially the Democratic one currently in power amirite?).

DISCLAIMER: The word "you" here does not represent anyone on SnusOn, but is used as a writing device. I just want to make this clear so the OP or anyone else doesn't think I'm talking them down. That's not my intent!

DISCLAIMER 2: I had a list like this for extremist liberals decrying President Bush, a man I voted for twice, as well...so you can't accuse me of being one sided!

[Redbeard]

Preach it, Brother VB. Preach the truth, brother.

[VBSnus]

Preach it, Brother VB. Preach the truth, brother.

Man, Oklahoma had a HELL of a good weekend for college ball, didn't they?

[RRK]

Guys the whole point of the movie is, F#ck the left / right donkey / elephant paradigm. They are the same thing.

Dramatized Example: "After two glorious non-socialist-communist-muslim-marxist-indoctrinating terms of President Bush, the corrupt terrorist palling islamofascistmarxbuddy Barack the Islamic Shock Hussein Obama is destroying the nation. The point is, they're both bad. Vote Republican!"

You make some fine points but I don't really understand the connection between these two statements.

[Redbeard]

Yes they did. 'Bout time they beat a ranked team, even if it was KU. It's kinda funny the difference in college football mentality here vs. where I grew up in NC. OU fans are devastated that OU is doing as poorly as they are this year. If NCSU or UNC were having the same year, it would be considered an average season.

[VBSnus]

Guys the whole point of the movie is, F#ck the left / right donkey / elephant paradigm. They are the same thing.

Dramatized Example: "After two glorious non-socialist-communist-muslim-marxist-indoctrinating terms of President Bush, the corrupt terrorist palling islamofascistmarxbuddy Barack the Islamic Shock Hussein Obama is destroying the nation. The point is, they're both bad. Vote Republican!"

You make some fine points but I don't really understand the connection between these two statements.

Dramatized was the key word here. The point is that many people decrying Barack Obama and the Democratic White House are doing so under the guise of libertarianism in the form of tea parties. They bash Barack Obama to all hell, accuse him of countless atrocities, then say that the point is that both parties are bad and they're all screwed up. Yet they offer no viable alternative, are organized or funded at times by Republican groups, and are for the most part pushing people towards voting Republican over Democrat despite warnings that "both are bad".

I'd have a lot more respect for a group which holds protests and shows the atrocities of both Bush and Obama. One that lists all the horrible things our government has done over the last 20 years under Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama, not just the last year in Afghanistan and Iraq and the in-progress healthcare debate. If you want a revolution, if you want to decry the entirety of the US political structure, then ****ing OWN it. All of it. Otherwise the talking points melt too much into Republican talking points and you will only be seen as a tool of the party. Don't be Partisan, don't be bi-Partisan, be anti-partisan. And make sure it's obvious.

Yes they did. 'Bout time they beat a ranked team, even if it was KU. It's kinda funny the difference in college football mentality here vs. where I grew up in NC. OU fans are devastated that OU is doing as poorly as they are this year. If NCSU or UNC were having the same year, it would be considered an average season.

Haha, my wife is from OKC. She said that preachers would be standing in front of their congregations on Sunday, praise Gawd can you let me hear you say amen, say hallelujah!, and would ask that the good folk get kneebound and pray with me now for the QB of the OU team.