For Your Consideration............

[Zero]

Have it your way. I found it to be quite insightful.

How about somebody produce the Town of Wisilla's finacial records and the minutes for the City Council meetings.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136

You can check the numbers yourself. Download financial years 1996 and 2003 (her tenure as Mayor) and check the liabilities for bonds and payable notes (aka:debt). It went from $1.1 million to $24 million in the span of seven years.

[kidstaxi]

Remeber this the next you eat a burger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ojT60uYGAw


Think about the guy who picks coffee, when you pay $5 fro your next cup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RJvj1fNAw

Thanks Parrot.

[kidstaxi]

Have it your way. I found it to be quite insightful.

How about somebody produce the Town of Wisilla's finacial records and the minutes for the City Council meetings.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136

You can check the numbers yourself. Download financial years 1996 and 2003 (her tenure as Mayor) and check the liabilities for bonds and payable notes (aka:debt). It went from $1.1 million to $24 million in the span of seven years.

Attaboy you are right.

What, I could tell in the breif 15 minutes, I looked at these records. The largest debt was for a waste water treatment plant. Just going on my knowledge of city gov. in Knoxville. The Mayor himself could not approve a project like this alone. It would need approvement from the City Council also. I am just assuming this would the same there. So she, may not totally responsible for this project and its debt. Waste water treatment plant, may not be a negative for the town either. I know in Knoxville, we attract business growth with sewer systems. Hard to tell a busness to install a 40 acre septic system. Lets face it too, septic system on any level are not enviromentally freindly. This may be a good thing, that the city needed. Maybe Mrs. Kilkenny can shed some light on this subject.
The sports complex would be the next largest debt. Who knows why they needed it? I would assume, in Alaska it hard to go out and play. With the obesity promlem in America, again this may be a positive. Also, this seems like something the council would need to approve too. Once again maybe Mrs. Kilkenny can shed light on this also.
Reading from the St. Petersburg times on this subject. Mrs. Kilkenny was very forthcoming, by saying she is a Democrat any most peole were happy with Palin's tenure as Mayor.
I just can't take the opinion from 1 person from the this town. If it was a 1000 or even a 100, I would take notice.

Nice work though..I will give to you, your tenasous..

[kidstaxi]

Here ya go,Parrot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RJvj1fNAw

[Premium Parrots]

Thanks, I watched the entire 5 episodes. Quite insitefull.

[Zero]

[quote="kidstaxi"]

This may be a good thing, that the city needed.

Put it into perspective. The population of Wasilla is 5,469. That's $4,388.37 for every resident of the city - man, woman, and child. For a family of four, the total spent by Palin was $17,553, or $2,508 every year for seven years. That's over two hundred bucks a month! This is in addition to state taxes and federal taxes, etc. If you scale it up to a national level, assuming she spent about as recklessly as member of the executive branch as she did in Wasilla, it would be like adding $1.3 trillion in debt to the country. I grew up in a rural area, I've seen lots of small towns, each with its own unique gifts and unique challenges, but I have never heard of one which got THAT out of control. It's a staggering figure.

[kidstaxi]

[quote="Zero"]

This may be a good thing, that the city needed.

Put it into perspective. The population of Wasilla is 5,469. That's $4,388.37 for every resident of the city - man, woman, and child. For a family of four, the total spent by Palin was $17,553, or $2,508 every year for seven years. That's over two hundred bucks a month! This is in addition to state taxes and federal taxes, etc. If you scale it up to a national level, assuming she spent about as recklessly as member of the executive branch as she did in Wasilla, it would be like adding $1.3 trillion in debt to the country. I grew up in a rural area, I've seen lots of small towns, each with its own unique gifts and unique challenges, but I have never heard of one which got THAT out of control. It's a staggering figure.

I do not think either of us have enough information, to make assumtions like this. You seem to be a research fanatic, try to find this out.

How about the county that Wisilla lies in. Maybe, there is a deal between the town and the county. Wisilla builds in and maintains it, but also filters water for the county for a fee. That will help pay for the expense. Water treatment also means, clean drinking water.Which means, the sale the water back to the residents. This will help with the cost also. When you flush a toliet here in Knoxville, you get what they call a waste water surcharge. This will off set costs too. If there was not a water treatment plant, I would guess most of this town was on well water. I would say in Alaska, this would mean pumps freezing 9 months out of the yr. This will insure water for all 365 days a yr.
For people who stay on septic systems. They will continue to need cleaning services. The cleaning company can also take the "Grey" water to the treatment, again for a fee that help with the costs.
I would think this should also create a few jobs too.

I am sure the plant was needed. A town does not build a water treantment plant to just look at it.

[Premium Parrots]

Isn't it possible that everyones septic system is plugged up with used snus portions and the water treatment plant WAS necessary?

[kidstaxi]

Isn't it possible that everyones septic system is plugged up with used snus portions and the water treatment plant WAS necessary?

Good point too....

[Zero]

I do not think either of us have enough information, to make assumtions like this. You seem to be a research fanatic, try to find this out.

How about the county that Wisilla lies in. Maybe, there is a deal between the town and the county. Wisilla builds in and maintains it, but also filters water for the county for a fee. That will help pay for the expense. Water treatment also means, clean drinking water.Which means, the sale the water back to the residents. This will help with the cost also. When you flush a toliet here in Knoxville, you get what they call a waste water surcharge. This will off set costs too. If there was not a water treatment plant, I would guess most of this town was on well water. I would say in Alaska, this would mean pumps freezing 9 months out of the yr. This will insure water for all 365 days a yr.
For people who stay on septic systems. They will continue to need cleaning services. The cleaning company can also take the "Grey" water to the treatment, again for a fee that help with the costs.
I would think this should also create a few jobs too.

I am sure the plant was needed. A town does not build a water treantment plant to just look at it.

Well, I've worked for public works in a town of about 3,000 which was on well water and nothing ever froze like you're suggesting. My house was on well water the entire time I grew up and nothing ever froze up. This after weeks of sub -40C temperatures. The point is that the town, whatever its income and expenses, was running with a sensibly balanced budget given its revenue generating potential. Seven years later, it was not. Whatever Sarah Palin may be, she is not a fiscal conservative. Not that the Republican party are either - I mean, she fits right in.

We're in the same boat in Canada. Our PM just dissolved parliament and there still nobody worth voting for. If they ran in my area I'd probably vote for the Bloc Quebecois at this point, and that's a scary thought. :shock:

[kidstaxi]

I do not think either of us have enough information, to make assumtions like this. You seem to be a research fanatic, try to find this out.

How about the county that Wisilla lies in. Maybe, there is a deal between the town and the county. Wisilla builds in and maintains it, but also filters water for the county for a fee. That will help pay for the expense. Water treatment also means, clean drinking water.Which means, the sale the water back to the residents. This will help with the cost also. When you flush a toliet here in Knoxville, you get what they call a waste water surcharge. This will off set costs too. If there was not a water treatment plant, I would guess most of this town was on well water. I would say in Alaska, this would mean pumps freezing 9 months out of the yr. This will insure water for all 365 days a yr.
For people who stay on septic systems. They will continue to need cleaning services. The cleaning company can also take the "Grey" water to the treatment, again for a fee that help with the costs.
I would think this should also create a few jobs too.

I am sure the plant was needed. A town does not build a water treantment plant to just look at it.

Well, I've worked for public works in a town of about 3,000 which was on well water and nothing ever froze like you're suggesting. My house was on well water the entire time I grew up and nothing ever froze up. This after weeks of sub -40C temperatures. The point is that the town, whatever its income and expenses, was running with a sensibly balanced budget given its revenue generating potential. Seven years later, it was not. Whatever Sarah Palin may be, she is not a fiscal conservative. Not that the Republican party are either - I mean, she fits right in.

We're in the same boat in Canada. Our PM just dissolved parliament and there still nobody worth voting for. If they ran in my area I'd probably vote for the Bloc Quebecois at this point, and that's a scary thought. :shock:

Being from Tennessee, I know very little about anything freezing. Maybe, a beer that left in the freezer to long. It seemed reasonable to me. I will take your word for it.

How about the other, points I brought up.

[Zero]

I don't think a water treatment plant in a town of 5,000 can generate that sort of revenue. Show me a financial plan which does and I'll eat my hat.

[kidstaxi]

I don't think a water treatment plant in a town of 5,000 can generate that sort of revenue. Show me a financial plan which does and I'll eat my hat.

Your right. She built this plant as a monument of her reign as mayor. Like an egyptian pharo.

If one person says it, it has got to be true.

Sorry to sound so sarcastic. But, your taking the world of one person.

Its true...

[kidstaxi]

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

This was Mrs. Kilkenny's words not mine. It was taken out of her email.

This sounds like a cat fight to me.

[airwoodstock]

First of all, I'd like to know what Jacka** at the FAA approved the flight plan??? I'd love to see a copy of it.

Alaskan FD - "Where ya' flyin' to today"
Idiot Pilot - "Just gonna fly around and get me some wolves."
Alaskan FD - "OK. Just watch out for trees and OTHER AIRCRAFT!!!!"
Idiot Pilot - "No prob', they're both out of season. Besides, we only get money from Palin for Wolves."

"This is your captain speaking, please make sure your heads are out of your a** and in the upright and locked position. Thank you for flying AirWoodstock" :?