For Your Consideration............

[kidstaxi]

After reading this article, it seems that waste water is problem in this area of Alaska. It also looks like Wisilla was a front runner in making this area more clean for the enviroment.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles...c812274160.txt

[Dead Rabbit]

The thing that is very, very annoying about Zero, is he is some sort of self appointed minister of information. He will drop a reference link in a New York minute, but then is the first to dismiss entire arguments whole sale due the fact we are being “had’ by a media full of lies and hijacked by a vague, propaganda producing illuminati. Thus, Zero owns truth. I’d rather have a fricken debate with God.

Palin has an 84% approval rating, a truly unprecedented number in American politics. However, make no mistake about it, that means 16% of the state hates her guts. Leave it to Zero to find one of those people, and drop it on us like some profound bombshell. Yawn.

As for the recreational center, I’m not versed enough on its circumstances to comment on it. I suppose an obvious question would be, do the people want the damn thing? If so, conversation over.

Palin wrote a 3,400 dollar tax rebate check to every Alaskan, like her politics or not, shouldn't this figure be noted in our analysis?

[Zero]

Tax rebates are fine if they are a part of a sensible and balanced budget. It's the idea of sending out $3400 tax rebates AND spending that much again by borrowing that's fiscally irresponsible. At any rate, I'm not appointing myself minister of anything - I just share information. I provide quick links as a starting point, so that in the case that I've brought up something unfamiliar you can follow up and find more on it yourself. I obviously can't be thorough and complete - I mean, I have books on some of these topics with over a thousand references in the endnotes. It makes it difficult, I guess, because I always want to make the summary point, but the logic of that point may depend on hundreds of bits of information which are just too numerous to include. The only solution for the true sceptic is to learn as much as possible yourself - don't trust my word for it.

[Dead Rabbit]

Tax rebates are fine if they are a part of a sensible and balanced budget. It's the idea of sending out $3400 tax rebates AND spending that much again by borrowing that's fiscally irresponsible. At any rate, I'm not appointing myself minister of anything - I just share information. I provide quick links as a starting point, so that in the case that I've brought up something unfamiliar you can follow up and find more on it yourself. I obviously can't be thorough and complete - I mean, I have books on some of these topics with over a thousand references in the endnotes. It makes it difficult, I guess, because I always want to make the summary point, but the logic of that point may depend on hundreds of bits of information which are just too numerous to include. The only solution for the true sceptic is to learn as much as possible yourself - don't trust my word for it.

I guess all I’m saying is that you make mighty good use of sources from the very media, that when used by others, you deem as propaganda. I’m well aware that your uber-edeucated. But in this particular case (Palin) you're just cherry picking info, again, ironically from the same media you have said Americans are hoodwinked by. I highly doubt you are well versed in local Alaskan politics by way of “hundreds of bits of information which are just too numerous to include”. For one who claims to have scoured the world info, looking for truth, I think you’re a little haphazard on this one, if I judge you by the same standards you have judged others. Dude, you’re just shootin’ from the hip like the rest of us. Which is cool, just drop the façade.

[kidstaxi]

How does this compare to shooting wolves from planes?

Better or Worse....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

[Zero]

But in this particular case (Palin) you're just cherry picking info, again, ironically from the same media you have said Americans are hoodwinked by. I highly doubt you are well versed in local Alaskan politics by way of “hundreds of bits of information which are just too numerous to include”.

You imply that I mean to say that everything published in the media is a lie - this is not true. In fact, a lot of what is said on the news is true, in some respect. The manipulation of the media is more to do with 'punditism' and the narrative which accompanies the facts and figures presented. I mean the generation of false dichotomies, the propagation of broken logic, the use of repeated catch-phrases used for misdirection or reflexive conditioning, etc. Often it is not the factual content of media news which is in error, but the discussions and interpretations which are presented along with it.

Consider the following framework "news" item, created by me, here, for the purpose of example.

1) Meet Mrs. Palin.
2) Mrs. Palin was Mayor of Wasilla.
3) Mrs. Palin is most recently Governor of Alaska.
4) *other random factoids*
5) Alaska is close to Russia.
6) Mrs. Palin, therefore, is competent and experienced when it comes to matters dealing with Russia.

This is, more or less, what the news has been trying to say recently. The fact that 6) is an example of broken logic does not make the previous facts false.

The excessive spending, for example, is directly in step with the philosophies and theories of Keynesian economics. Her decision to incur large debts to pay for new infrastructure while spending all surpluses on rebates to tax-payers is easily understood within the framework of neoconservative/Keynesian thinking. There is no need in this framework for the water treatment plant to actually be able to pay for itself, which is why I am sceptical that there is such a plan for it to be able to do so. Thus, my justifications for thinking that she did in fact just spend the money recklessly is based not only on the content of some letter or a news article, but on my understanding of economics as practised by modern government. It perhaps seems like I am picking information at random, but this is not so.

Consider that in Keynes's General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money - the central document around which the modern big-bloat government is founded - he very seriously suggests that printing up paper money and stuffing it in jars, then burying those jars, and finally employing people to dig up those jars, would be an effective means of stimulating the economy. And government leaders believe this crap - and do it on a regular basis.

So my willingness to believe that Sarah Palin did such a thing with a massively expensive infrastructure budget is not simply the result of some inherent dislike of the woman combined with a snippet of media information which seems to paint her in a poor light - it is more a recognition of a pattern which is consistent with the philosophies of those who have chosen her as a VP. The problem is that my posts are long enough as it is and trying to follow every idea to its logical completeness would take me writing a book. :shock:

[kidstaxi]

How does this compare to shooting wolves from planes?

Better or Worse....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

This topic forum has been visited over 100 times since I posted this..

I guess, no one will touch this topic?

[lxskllr]

I don't know enough of the fine details to comment, and the fine details make a difference in this case. In general I'm absolutely pro abortion though.

[kidstaxi]

I don't know enough of the fine details to comment, and the fine details make a difference in this case. In general I'm absolutely pro abortion though.

I respect you for that... I find it funny, that a few will take a random video or email and argue it as fact..

I am not pro-abortion, but feel like in certain cases it is a neccesary evil. I am tired of it being a focual point in politics.

I will say, if a baby regardless of condition is alive outside of the womb it deserves every right as anyone else.


*Even if a hint of this is true, I find it much worse than shooting a damn dog from a plane..

[lxskllr]

I will say, if a baby regardless of condition is alive outside of the womb it deserves every right as anyone else.


*Even if a hint of this is true, I find it much worse than shooting a damn dog from a plane..

That's my point of view also. I would say I'm for an anything goes policy until the fetus can support itself without the use of machines. After that it should be treated as a fully developed human, and accorded appropriate rights.

[Zero]

The abortion issue should not be one of national scope. There is absolutely no reason at all why the people in charge of the monetary system and the maintenance of the defensive army of the nation should be charged with the problem of what doctors and patients decide between themselves. And since nobody can agree on what to do, then DOUBLY so it's the case. It's impossible to make one or the other law without seriously pissing off half of the population, so the only logical choice is to make no law. There are far more pressing issues to deal with at present.

[sentry103]

Save a wolf, save a whale, save the dolphins----kill the babies.... the democratic way.

[sentry103]

Kool aid anyone??

[Premium Parrots]

well..........I won't state my views on abortion.........HOWEVER, I'll mention a lil story of what happened to me. Better read it quick cuz I might think twice and delete it. Here goes.....

Almost 20 years ago my unwed daughter got pregnant and decided to keep the baby. No problem with that with her mom and I. She was 4 or 5 months pregnant and she had a miscarriage at home. An ambulance took her to go to the hospital and I had to get the fetus and bring it there. The following info. I have never told to anyone before. Well, as a christian I decided that I should take the fetus to our church to have it baptized. I got there and I told the priest what happened and I asked him if he could please baptize this lil one. HE REFUSED!! HOLY CRAP!! I thought the church figured this to be a human being with original sin, from the time it was conceived. Isn't that what they teach us? I asked him why he wouldn't do it and he danced around the question and I never got an answer other than "we don't do that". I was pissed, felt somewhat betrayed and said the hell with it. They taught us how to baptize when I was in early grade school so I did it myself. After that I took it to the hospital for the doctor. I know my beliefs about abortion, I thought I knew the churches beliefs too but DAM did I learn something that day. Did I miss something here or what? Do they teach one way and do another? Whats up with that?

Now heres the kicker..........a few years later, after she married, she got preggo again. She was having twin boys. When she was barely 6 months preggo she went into labor and delivered both at the hospital. Quite premature, one was 16 ozs and the other was 15 1/2 ozs. Well after about 5 weeks of both barely surviving the 16 oz boy was toast, body and mind and we had to pull the plug. Sad day. The other boy is still alive today and doing quite well considering. He has cerabal palsy, can hardly talk, can't walk, ate liquids from a tube thru a hole in his stomach for his first 6 years, now can only eat thick liquids, has ADD and lots of problems even after 7 operations. But hes smart as hell. He'll need care all his life tho. OK then, The boy that passed away was elligible for and received a baptizing and last rights, a regular funeral, and burial. **** me..... what the hell does 2 months differance mean? Both were human beings in Gods eyes is what we are taught.

I can't believe I actually, finally told someone. Musta been my time to speak, on this topic, on this forum, at this night, that gave me the opportunity and the most understanding listeners. Sorry for the long rant. Thanks for listening

OH! does anyone know why the first priest refused to baptize the first fetus?










kill me now

[bakerbarber]

Double P,

That's some heavy shit to have been carrying around for 20 years. Thanks for sharing. I hope you feel a bit relieved unloading it.

My wife is a special education teacher and I know half of her students would be blessed to have a parent or grandparent a fraction as good as you.