NRA calls for armed police officers in every school

[GoVegan]

Kids need to have their asses beaten. They get away with bullshit because it's allowed, and rewarded. Useless sacks of meat send their idiot offspring to the schools for babysitting, and the teachers aren't allowed to properly babysit. The kids have to be there by law, so everyone has to deal with them, but can't do what it takes to maintain control. Everyone loses.

I fully agree that teachers need more options to discipline students but packing heat shouldn't be one of them.

[Crow]

Strengthened background checks? Yes, I'm open to that.

Armed officers at schools? Yes, I'm open to that. But it should be up to the school district (and local government) to make that decision.

Banning high capacity magazines? Yes, I'm also open to that......to an extent. "High capacity" would need to be reasonably defined.

Banning "assault rifles" (semi-automatic rifles)? No, I just can't agree to that. Doing so would be unconstitutional, and an oxymoron (since you would leave semi-automatic handguns ["assault handguns"?] open).

Also, in my view, it would lead down a slippery slope. Let's say we ban semi-auto rifles... That still leaves semi-auto handguns open. Then, a tragedy occurs involving handguns, and we ban those as well... It still wouldn't stop a group of lunatics (say, a white supremacist group) from opening fire on a crowd (say, a congregation) using legal firearms..... Then what?

Yes, I believe we should control guns in a careful manner. We must do so without infringing on the Second Amendment.

[lxskllr]

Banning high capacity magazines? Yes, I'm also open to that......to an extent. "High capacity" would need to be reasonably defined.

Banning "assault rifles" (semi-automatic rifles)? No, I just can't agree to that. Doing so would be unconstitutional, and an oxymoron (since you would leave semi-automatic handguns ["assault handguns"?] open).

These are the two I find most irritating. High capacity magazines? Cause it's such an egregious burden to swap out magazines. I guess the shooter shoots 10 times. and says "I guess that's it. I'm out of bullets". Fsckin' ridiculous...

There's no such thing as an assault rifle on the civilian market, and I'm not sure they exist at all. If you were going to give that name to anything, it would be something that has full auto fire, or burst fire, but from my point of view it's a useless descriptor that's meant to influence emotion, and not describe an actual thing; a propaganda term.

[Darwin]

A typical modern revolver is "semi-automatic" if the definition is one shot per trigger pull. Plus with speedloaders one can have a full cylinder in less than ten seconds and even faster with a little practice. With a full cylinder and four speedloaders one can get off 30 rounds in less than a minute. Not that hard to do. Any potential heros are going to have to be damn quick on their feet to try something between fast revolver reloads. Anti-gunners are being disingenuous, or simply clueless, if they think that 15 rounds are really scary but six rounds are not.

[Crow]

A "semi-automatic" is considered a firearm that will ready a bullet for fire as soon as you pull the first trigger.

As for HC magazines..... I don't have an issue with clips that can house slightly more ammo. But, I've seen drum magazines for rifles that can house 100+ bullets. I can see its uses in shooting sports, but I can also see it being used to cause a lot of damage.

I'm not completely convinced that we should ban HC mags at all, but I'm not completely opposed to the idea either.

Gun control is a tough one to tackle.

[Crow]

If you were going to give that name to anything, it would be something that has full auto fire, or burst fire, but from my point of view it's a useless descriptor that's meant to influence emotion, and not describe an actual thing; a propaganda term.

I agree. The term "assault rifle" is propagandised. That term would be more appropriate for, like you said, full auto or burst fire (which are already illegal).

[tattooer601]

Ya know...
I just wanted to say this,my daughter graduated last year,from her first day in our public school system to her graduation there was armed police that patrolled the school all day.
Something else,the issues like tobacco in school....etc
The teachers take the student in the hall the officer took them to the office.

Honestly I assumed this "police guard" thing was a standard all schools did now.

[halocog]

I don't know about the issue of armed guards in schools. Here in Kentucky, most schools with over 1000 students have police on site anyway. One thing to think about though, Columbine had armed guards/police on site.

The media is getting out of control with the whole "assault weapons" thing. Just as they do with everything else that happens. As it's been said before in this thread, the "assault weapons" available to the public are just semi-auto just like a lot of hunting rifles and handguns. Same parts inside, they just look a lot cooler. Apparently to the media, this means they do more damage somehow. It's like calling a Dodge Charger or any sort of sports car an "assault car" because it goes faster and looks scary. Ban assault cars now!

[Joe234]

Imagine how many students will decide against a career in teaching if they had to be armed
teachers or administrators. I guess it would attract those with a cop like mentality. We could
put our returning troops through college for a profession in teaching and security.

Or we can put a cop in every school like the NRA wants and let the taxpayers pick up the tab.
Let's see? We can't afford textbooks but we can afford armed police?


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Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK

Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146
Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648

(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by[pdf] firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)


*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).
For more on murder by firearms in Britain, see the BBC.


The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.


Do hunters really need semi-automatic Glock hand guns? Is that how they roll in deer season? The US public doesn’t think so.

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In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,


Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.

Also 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns.

Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death:
-in 2 fatal accidents.
-in 6 homicides.

Previous years:
2010 31,328 people
2009 31,177 people
2007 31,224 people
2004 29,569 people

[texastorm]

I have always liked this phrase...

Can a pen, in the hands of a good man, prevent a firearm from getting in the hands of an ill man?


To take that a step further you cannot take the intent of murder away by making one method more challenging. While the USA does have a high rate of gun deaths it does not have the highest murder rate. And lots lower than many places with other methods of killing.

My main worry however is not for me, but for those younger than me. If all the worlds governments work hard to disarm each countries citizens, then the governments can become totalitarian. Many of you here ignore history, ignore oppression, ignore why Americans proclaimed ourselves free (taxation is only one factor). Taking away our ability to defend ourselves reduces our most prized right... freedom. Relinquishing personal defense to a government employee makes us lazy and ignorant, and expecting that government employee to save us will only serve to strengthen the government each time it fails. One day you wake up and your country is your prison. Keep in mind however that that is not likely in my lifetime, but as each right is slowly stripped away, at some point it has to happen, and when the population has no ability left to revolt, the revolt is oppressed. Game, set, match... Your grand kids will be making bombs with whats left of the unbanned home chemicals trying to fight the well armed oppressive government.

Think its not possible or unlikely... then you better research some history... no society or government ever completely survives. The USA will go down someday, I say let it take just a bit longer to erode whats left of it. It was once the greatest place on earth and everyone knew it, now we are already just another country.

[OregonNative]

I don't really know how I feel about guns anymore. I grew up in a pro-gun (not crazy pro-gun) family, I own several firearms myself, and I've worked several jobs that required I carry a firearm. I do however think guns are way to easy to get in this country. I don't think weapons such as handguns & assault weapons (AK/M16 Varients, etc) should be available to the public. At least not without a proper background check, required training, and a few other requirements that make them hard as hell to get.

Guns just make killing people way to easy. That sounds like a stupid thing to say, but it's true. Everyone has a shitty day, and humans are unstable. Guns + Unstable minds = bad mix. I've had quite a few friends die from firearms, one of the most absurd reasons was this, a friend went to a club, accidently spilled a drink on a guy, they argued, my friend left, and the guy followed him and shot him in the parking lot.

What kind of bullshit is that? There was no other story to this, it was over a spilled drink & some angry words.

I understand shooting for sport, but no one REALLY needs an M16 w/ 100 round barrel drum magazine.

[Joe234]

I have always liked this phrase...

Can a pen, in the hands of a good man, prevent a firearm from getting in the hands of an ill man?


To take that a step further you cannot take the intent of murder away by making one method more challenging. While the USA does have a high rate of gun deaths it does not have the highest murder rate. And lots lower than many places with other methods of killing.

My main worry however is not for me, but for those younger than me. If all the worlds governments work hard to disarm each countries citizens, then the governments can become totalitarian. Many of you here ignore history, ignore oppression, ignore why Americans proclaimed ourselves free (taxation is only one factor). Taking away our ability to defend ourselves reduces our most prized right... freedom. Relinquishing personal defense to a government employee makes us lazy and ignorant, and expecting that government employee to save us will only serve to strengthen the government each time it fails. One day you wake up and your country is your prison. Keep in mind however that that is not likely in my lifetime, but as each right is slowly stripped away, at some point it has to happen, and when the population has no ability left to revolt, the revolt is oppressed. Game, set, match... Your grand kids will be making bombs with whats left of the unbanned home chemicals trying to fight the well armed oppressive government.

Think its not possible or unlikely... then you better research some history... no society or government ever completely survives. The USA will go down someday, I say let it take just a bit longer to erode whats left of it. It was once the greatest place on earth and everyone knew it, now we are already just another country.

True some have a higher murder rate if you are talking of Columbia or some lawless nation.

As for the, guns in event of government tyranny, argument; I once bought it myself. Now I find
it kind of ridiculous. Your argument would allow tanks and rocket launchers. The right to bear arms.

A tyrannical government can be overthrown with pitchforks. Or just bodies as Gandhi showed. Or with limited
arms as is happening in Syria. The US Government would simply zero in with drones and blow anyone with an AK-47
out of the water!

[lxskllr]

True some have a higher murder rate if you are talking of Columbia or some lawless nation.

As for the, guns in event of government tyranny, argument; I once bought it myself. Now I find
it kind of ridiculous. Your argument would allow tanks and rocket launchers. The right to bear arms.

A tyrannical government can be overthrown with pitchforks. Or just bodies as Gandhi showed. Or with limited
arms as is happening in Syria. The US Government would simply zero in with drones and blow anyone with an AK-47
out of the water!

I don't have a problem with people owning tanks and rocket launchers. What's the difference between that, and some twat who buys a Prius, runs their stupid mouth on their iTurd, and kills someone on the road?

Who do you think the "government" is? Who is running the drones?

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

I would prefer having armed and trained civilians in the schools than officers. Like a percentage of teachers/administrators. We are already paying them to be there.

"In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 in from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others were rounded up and exterminated because they were unable to defend themselves.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981; 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979; 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million educated people, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control: 56 Million.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. "

http://www.bayareagunvault.com/a-little-gun-history

[texastorm]

True some have a higher murder rate if you are talking of Columbia or some lawless nation.

As for the, guns in event of government tyranny, argument; I once bought it myself. Now I find
it kind of ridiculous. Your argument would allow tanks and rocket launchers. The right to bear arms.

A tyrannical government can be overthrown with pitchforks. Or just bodies as Gandhi showed. Or with limited
arms as is happening in Syria. The US Government would simply zero in with drones and blow anyone with an AK-47
out of the water!

So what your saying here is you already surrender to a future that might include a tyrannical government? Nice... I however have to differ in opinion with you, I would rather die like a lion trying than follow like a sheep waiting for slaughter.It sounds like you would hand over you weapon and wait for your free bullet.

These things (hopefully) will not happen in the estimated 30 years or so I may have left, however I dont want your childrens children to suffer because liberals of today thought that total government control was a "good thing". It has never been a good thing, and I would hope you can at least understand that everyone on this planet seems to cheer for a cause, and many of those people cheer for government control of that cause, and if they all win? Total control is then inevitable.

I mean seriously just simply look at the EU with their snus ban... it's illogical, harmful to the citizens that cant find alternatives to help them truly quit smoking, and yet the big government over their simply turns a deaf ear on the few that try and make it right. You think for one second if the USA completely outlawed guns at some point that anyone could get a real way to defend themselves from the criminals who WILL have guns?

I can see you side, its sounds like Utopia... Come on people now smile on your brother... etc etc... Humanity will never be safe from humanity.