NRA calls for armed police officers in every school

[SnusoMatic]

I have two kids and a wife who work in schools. My kids are teachers and my wife works in a school office. Every time there is a school shooting it makes me worry about them. I have thought about this problem more than I want to. I do not know the answer either.

In China they have school killings what seems like all the time. They don't have guns. The killers use every weapon you can dream up besides guns to kill with. I ain't trying to say it is a reason to prove guns don't kill people yada yada yada either. It's just a fact that some morons are bent on killing and the weak are their targets.

My gripe with school administrators is they just do things to shut parents up. I hear first hand how the security rules are unforced. But when a high profile shooting happens then they change some stuff and make sure parents know but months later school side doors are open. Right now they are spending tons of money building to force everyone coming into schools to pass through school offices. Please! In the latest shooting the principal was the or one of the first killed. From what I have heard about that shooting the school had excellent security. I don't think they could have done any more to prevent the shooting than they did.

If they had an armed guard on duty he/she may have been on the other side of the school. Having an armed guard would likely prevent me or you from trying to shoot a school up. Someone bent on killing little kids would find a way around it. If a person don't really care what happens to them they can cause a lot of damage.

You should hear the stories I hear about how bad kids act. I am talking about elementary kids. I don't have a solution but I am pretty sure I know "why" we have school shootings. The way some kids are raised these days.

[Bigblue1]

It's not a new thing and it doesn't take guns. Like lx said it is over reported and sensualized by the media. Here ya go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

I'll post em as I find em prolly after the holiday

[Joe234]

If they had an armed guard on duty he/she may have been on the other side of the school. Having an armed guard would likely prevent me or you from trying to shoot a school up. Someone bent on killing little kids would find a way around it. If a person don't really care what happens to them they can cause a lot of damage.

"Columbine Had an Armed Guard, Virginia Tech Had a Police Department, Ft. Hood was a Military Base....

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...-military-base


Would you put armed guards in all movie theaters and shopping malls too?

[Crow]

I'm curious... What is your solution? What would you propose? Repeal of the Second Amendment?

[Joe234]

I would prefer having armed and trained civilians in the schools than officers. Like a percentage of teachers/administrators. We are already paying them to be there.

"In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 in from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others were rounded up and exterminated because they were unable to defend themselves.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981; 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979; 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1 million educated people, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control: 56 Million.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. "

http://www.bayareagunvault.com/a-little-gun-history

Stupid argument. They were killed by Nazi and communist regimes and as casualties of war.

I don't see the extermination today in Britain or any other civilized nation with gun control.

Just another argument from the Militia, White Pride, Conspiracy, Crowd. It's getting quite old.

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China has school attacks too, but far fewer deaths, gun control works

http://shanghaiist.com/2012/12/15/the_lo...se_sch.php

On December 14th 2012, two schools on different sides of the world were attacked by men wielding weapons. In one, 22 children were injured but none died; in the other, 27 young boys and girls were killed*. The difference? The second killer had a gun, the first didn't.

A spate of attacks on schools in China began in March 2010 and carried on into 2011. Given the recent attacks in Guangxi and and Henan this year, I think it's fair to say the 'spree' has continued. However, in all those attacks, knives or other edged-weapons were used. As Andrew Sullivan points out, there were a total of 21 fatalities in all of the Chinese attacks over a two year period (24 if you include the attacks in 2012). The recent shooting in Newtown, Connecticut alone left at least 27 people dead.

The root causes behind such attacks or rampages are largely the same in both China and the US: stress, depression, anxiety, and, most of all, shamefully poor mental health care. All of these factors should and must be treated, but we can't get away from the fact that the vast difference in the respective deaths toll is based on one factor alone, gun control.

Commentators in the US and elsewhere will hold up the tragedy in Henan and use it to say "See, these attacks happen everywhere", and indeed, the potential for massacres, attacks, and rampages of the sort that happened in Henan and Newtown is inherent in every society. But societies which allow their citizens easy access to firearms, of any type, are placing their citizens at a far higher risk of death and injury than those that do not.

*Figures as of 6am, 15th December

[texastorm]

Joe you just cant ban crime out of existence, laws are for the law abiding, criminals dont care, and crazies cant care.

Maybe someone should look into why we treat crazies more "normal" today than we ever have. Come on people now smile on your brother everybody get together try to love a school killer right now. Now pass that doobie and lets make some laws preventing the law abiding from having easy access to anything they are likely to be responsible with. Lets start with tobacco, we know it kills, so people should not be allowed to have it! Then we will repeal those stupid laws that made weed legal in two states... right Joe?, because someone is likely to be irresponsible with it. I mean its been proven that if a crazy person gets high he might do crazy things, same with guns if a crazy person gets his hand on a gun he might use it, therefore responsible people should never be allowed to have one or the crazies might get it.

Seriously this argument is silly. You should never ban anything that is useful to law abiding citizens... period.

If I am going to be in favor of legalizing pot, which I dont smoke, I also have to be for keeping gun ownership legal, which I only own two that haven't been fired in years. Just because I dont need something doesn't mean other people wont need such a thing. I am for keeping booze legal, guns legal and making pot legal, I am for leaving abortion to the choice of each woman.

In other words I am for freedom, what people do with their freedom even if it conflicts with mine at times and I and my children might die, is still better than a world with no freedom.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

Stupid argument. They were killed by Nazi and communist regimes and as casualties of war.

I don't see the extermination today in Britain or any other civilized nation with gun control.

Just another argument from the Militia, White Pride, Conspiracy, Crowd. It's getting quite old.

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China has school attacks too, but far fewer deaths, gun control works

http://shanghaiist.com/2012/12/15/the_lo...se_sch.php

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The fact is they were killed by their government after being disarmed. Just because you don't see extermination today in Britain or elsewhere is a stupid argument. I don't appreciate you lumping me into some crowd you don't like because I'm smart enough to not trust the government. The government is not looking out for our best interest as you know damn well. And the only thing around here getting old is your constant partisan blathering


George Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."