3 killed in shooting near Texas A&M University

[sgreger1]

A teacher said to the class, "George Washington cut down his father's tree with an axe. But his father didn't punish him - does anyone know why?"
Little Johnny raised his hand and said, "Because George Washington was still holding the axe."

Lol Hey now that is a good one. Where'd you get that from Extreme?

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A teacher said to the class, "George Washington cut down his father's tree with an axe. But his father didn't punish him - does anyone know why?"
Little Johnny raised his hand and said, "Because George Washington was still holding the axe."

[Crow]

That was a good clipping, PP

Agree 100%

[Frosted]

There was nothing to take away.

[sgreger1]

Yah PP that's a great example. I just can't live with a totalitarian government like that and a system that outright favors the criminals. Living in California, a situation similar to what you wrote above would likely play our pretty similar. We do have good castle laws, but other than that you are going to jail if you shoot someone, and what's even worse is that the criminals who invaded your house can sue you for bodily injury AND WIN.

This is why this stuff gets me so heated up. In europe it has been bread into you to think nothing of the governmetn taking away the right to defend yourself, but we still have some rights here and they are dissapearing rapidly. We can't let this fundamental one go without a fight, because after they get rid of the 2nd ammendment, they will go after the first, and no one will be there to stop them.

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Just a Shotgun

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door
and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few
that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities
will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men
you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both
"victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin
Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media .

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized
several times in the past and that you've been critical of local
police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be
prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait
for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works
against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed
one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term...

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or
felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to
those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only
handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon
by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.


Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerfordmass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle,
walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun
control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even
though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public
school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally
unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of
objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry , a few months later, sealed the fate of the few
sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took
away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were
threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a
reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while
the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Travon Martin shooting in the usa, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young
thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his
collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were
given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year
prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from
private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams

You had better wake up .
The UN Small Arms Treaty that Hilary is negotiating would take away
our 2nd Amendment rights.

And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go
right along with her.

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yea good luck you guays with the women problems. It especially sucks if you have children. I hope it works out for you all.

look on the bright side tho........if worse comes to worse you could do what chad does. I'm sure he'd be glad to give you a hand at it.

[lxskllr]

If I get a divorce, and it's close, I will never live with a woman again. I will enjoy my freedom and peace. The only difficult bit is not living with the kids - that's a BIG toughie.

I hope the same for you Extreme; that everything works out favorably.

[sgreger1]

Here's some more gun crime statistics for those still reading:

* Evanston, Illinois, a Chicago suburb of 75,000 residents, became the largest town to ban handgun ownership in September 1982 but experienced no decline in violent crime. It has subsequently ended its ban as a result of the District of Columbia v. Heller Supreme Court case, upon a federal lawsuit by the National Rifle Association being filed the day after Heller was entered.

*Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 have restrictive or very restrictive gun laws.[76]*Twenty percent of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just 6% of the population—New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C.—and each has or, in the cases of Detroit (until 2001) and D.C. (2008) had, a requirement for a license on private handguns or an effective outright ban (in the case of Chicago).[77]

*Violent crime accelerated in Jamaica after handguns were heavily restricted and a special Gun Court established.[82] However a high proportion of the illegal guns in Jamaica can be attributed to guns smuggled in from the United states where they are more freely available.[83]

*Prior to the ban of firearms in England, Scottland, and Whales, only .1% of the population owned guns and gun crime was already extremely low. In fact gun crime increased significantly after the ban was put in place.

So you can see that we are talking about different cultures. In England people already didn't own guns and gun crime was very low before guns were even banned. After the ban was put in place crime increased, though it has slowly tapered off since then. America is a whole different dynamic than that, where both gun crime and gun ownership are off the charts relative to England. 20% of Americans have firearms and there are more firearms in total than the entire population. It's just a different scenario so what works in europe will not necessarily work in the US. That's all I'm getting at, we have a trend of gun bans increasing crime, which is why I am against it.

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[sgreger1]

If I get a divorce, and it's close, I will never live with a woman again. I will enjoy my freedom and peace. The only difficult bit is not living with the kids - that's a BIG toughie.

Sorry to hear it's not working out. I feel you though i'm young but I am not sure if I would be interested in getting married again. I loved this girl and if I were to move on I wouldn't feel genuine playing it all out all over again with someone else. As an adult I can stand not being married, but not being around my daughter every day would kill me on the inside, epseically since she's so young. I don't even remember anything from when I was 3. I'll be a memory from the past at best. But i'm sure we can arrange joint custody or 50/50, I forget how that works in this state. I'm sure it favors the female over the male, especially since she makes more money than me.

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If I get a divorce, and it's close, I will never live with a woman again. I will enjoy my freedom and peace. The only difficult bit is not living with the kids - that's a BIG toughie.

[sgreger1]

Never again. I like my cats. No drama, and the biggest hassle is the occasional hairball on the floor :^D

I hope things work out favorably for you sgreger, whichever way that happens to go.

I make things work out favorably regardless of which way the wind blows. It's the only way to live in life, can't let the detilas get you bogged down. Life is too short to waste it and I don't plan to. My mother's cancer is getting worse and we were all living together previously with my mom as a tenant, but now it's gonna just be 26 year old dude living with his mom again, DOH! We just re-signed the lease on this house too so it's gonna be a while before we can afford to move.

[lxskllr]

As soon as you have kids your marriage is f**ked. That's what happened to mine anyway. My marriage is the same as yours sgreger....it walks a fine line every day so I know how it's going. You need a helluva lot of strength to deal with a woman.

Never again. I like my cats. No drama, and the biggest hassle is the occasional hairball on the floor :^D

I hope things work out favorably for you sgreger, whichever way that happens to go.