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[truthwolf1]

I am actually very open to the idea that what scripture defined as "demons and angels" could of been likened to reference of what we would call today "aliens".

Virgin Mary could of easily of been abducted and impregnated with a alien dna hybrid with higher spiritual connections to the universe.

What opened my eyes a little also was in the documentary Zeitgeist and all the similarities of past religious figures had in common. Is this just documenting the same story over and over or is the pattern a very real experiment from God?

I think we are bound for another "Jesus" type alien figure to be coming soon.

[jamesstew]

I think people would catch on real quick. Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll right? There are tons of examples of people that pursued pleasure and ended up ruining their lives. All you have to do is look to the world of celebrities, fame and fortune to see where the pursuit of pleasure leads to. Why would I want to pursue a destructive life of pleasure when the evidence shows it would shorten the only life I have? I'm more worried about the people in this life that seek pleasure that believe if they are really really sorry it doesn't matter what they do because god will forgive them.

I already mentioned earlier in the thread about truth being relative. Everything we know is based on our current knowledge. As new knowledge comes in the truth can change. I'm not worried about your friend with his Phd, there are scientists that spend their whole lives devoted to proving your friend wrong. If they discover a new element to the periodic table they'll be awarded with a Noble prize and your friend will reluctantly have to admit he was wrong.

I think you're exactly right, if this is the one life I have I want to extend it out as long as possible. I also want to treat my fellow man better as I believe it's their only life also and we all should experience it to the fullest.

[justintempler]

Jesus is presently on tour, he has many worlds yet to save.

[sgreger1]

I am actually very open to the idea that what scripture defined as "demons and angels" could of been likened to reference of what we would call today "aliens".

Virgin Mary could of easily of been abducted and impregnated with a alien dna hybrid with higher spiritual connections to the universe.

What opened my eyes a little also was in the documentary Zeitgeist and all the similarities of past religious figures had in common. Is this just documenting the same story over and over or is the pattern a very real experiment from God?

I think we are bound for another "Jesus" type alien figure to be coming soon.

Well it seems more logical (if that term is appropriate here) that aliens came to earth and messed with mankind from time to time, than to asume that god created demons and angels and that they are on opposite sides but all under control of god but one side is bad but god doesnt like bad so he punishes them but they are bad because he made them that way ....... <--- I mean at least there is a possibility that aliens exist, and if they are anything like us, they would certainly come poke around whenever possible.


I am more of the belief that demons/angels are either a psychological phenomena, or that they were aliens of some sort that stopped by in the distant past, and convinced man that they were gods so they would have free manual labor for a while.


Realisticly, let's say that for some reason you needed a bunch of metal ore or gold mined from a certain place. If you were on a spaceship and needed resources, and you find this amazingly resource rich planet amongst all the rocks of the solar system, and it also harbors life that is intelligent enough to communicate with, wouldn't the logical and realistic thing be to go tell them you are god or angels or something, and that they need to go dig up all that gold because "God said so"?

If that scenario happened, than would history look any different than it does now? So the egyptian pharaos would wear gold and francy themselves the extension of god, they would make elaborate stories out of the experience that would evolve into a complex religion. They would forever build temples and shrines hoping that the gods will return etc. Right? I mean history would look exactly like it did today, complete with stories of flying chariots coming down from the heavens and all.


Not saying it happened, but agreeing that it seems more explainable than the whole demons/angels thing.

[tom502]

One thing I find interesting, is the possiblity of life on different frequencies, or vibrations, or maybe dimensions. I was reading a book by a guy who claims to have had contact with ETs, some from Venus, and while is story may be bunk, I think it's possible, as he states, that they are at a different vibratory level than out planet, and that's why we can't humanly visually see what might be there, because they are of a different frequency. It seems possible, sorta like ghosts, and how some UFOs are said to morph and disappear.

[truthwolf1]

I like what some people have gathered from the Sumerian tablets that the Annunaki came and messed with homo erectus primates until they had perfected the "Adamu", which they used for slave labor. They created the "Adamu" to gather all the minerals/metals they needed from earth.

Why are there such strong similarities between those texts and the bible? Is this guy just pulling monkeys out of his ass? If he is not and there are such strong similarities, then that is pretty mind blowing.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward191.htm
At this juncture, there were supposedly 600 Anunnaki in the Netherworld (i.e. working the mines) and 300 in the heavens (doing the trans-shipments and minding the store). After a long period of time (Sitchin reckons the date as 300,000 B.C.E.), the Anunnaki who were laboriously mining the gold from the South African mines, mutinied! The mutiny and the difficulties the Anunnaki had encountered in working the mines were resolved, however, when Enki proposed to create a “primitive worker” to work the mines in lieu of the Anunnaki. Enki’s proposal was, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.”

[sgreger1]

I like what some people have gathered from the Sumerian tablets that the Annunaki came and messed with homo erectus primates until they had perfected the "Adamu", which they used for slave labor. They created the "Adamu" to gather all the minerals/metals they needed from earth.

Why are there such strong similarities between those texts and the bible? Is this guy just pulling monkeys out of his ass? If he is not and there are such strong similarities, then that is pretty mind blowing.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward191.htm
At this juncture, there were supposedly 600 Anunnaki in the Netherworld (i.e. working the mines) and 300 in the heavens (doing the trans-shipments and minding the store). After a long period of time (Sitchin reckons the date as 300,000 B.C.E.), the Anunnaki who were laboriously mining the gold from the South African mines, mutinied! The mutiny and the difficulties the Anunnaki had encountered in working the mines were resolved, however, when Enki proposed to create a “primitive worker” to work the mines in lieu of the Anunnaki. Enki’s proposal was, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.”

Interesting concept, but it seems that genetically we share 99.99% of our DNA with common ancestors that evolved here on earth. If we were clones, i'm pretty sure we would see a significant deviation in the DNA when we sequence it, yet none exists.

In fact, on paper the idea that we evolved from a common ancestor of monkeys is about the best supported theory, mainly because genetically we are so similar.

Unless the theory is that the annunaki injected that .001% of DNA that brings intelligence or something. But even that makes no sense. How do you explain the apendix and other organs that we no longer use. I mean why create a clone with extra organs that are prone to infection etc?




Also, it seems like quite a task to travel across the universe just to bring 300 guys to dig up metals. Metal which should be abundant all over the universe. Maybe not all metals, but many should be. It's just that 300 guys doesn't seem like a lot for a mining operation. And why not just send robots, they never talk back!

And when they mutinied, some guy gets the bright idea to just clone themselves and make the clones into slaves (obviously no moral's in their society. Could you imagine if the republicans decided to man the factories and mines with armies of cloned slaves?)

If that was the plan, and it was that easy to do and they had all the equipment needed on the ship, than why not clone them in the first place. Instead of sending 300 guys across the univers, send 5 pit bosses and some DNA over here and clone an army of workers.


And wouldn't such an intense mining operation have left some very visible footprints that we would find later?





Additionally, this would essentially mean that man was an animal that was domestication. Domesticated animals don't usually do too well once released back into the wild. What happened when they left? Maybe man just made it work or something?

[truthwolf1]

I have not read much about this but have to say that I seem very drawn into learning more about this angle of the Sumerians/Bible similarity.

From a science point I can understand the 99% DNA fact, but I would have to add or question what is beyond DNA? maybe there is more to it then what we have learned about just plain cloning. Maybe you could add or take out traits of makeup another way. 50 years from now maybe we are in the "Gattaca" phase of our humanity.

I mean why create a clone with extra organs that are prone to infection etc?

Maybe just strong enough of a specimen that could do the job and die off at a relatively fast pace. Once they left we were on our own but have survived.

[sgreger1]

I have not read much about this but have to say that I seem very drawn into learning more about this angle of the Sumerians/Bible similarity.

From a science point I can understand the 99% DNA fact, but I would have to add or question what is beyond DNA? maybe there is more to it then what we have learned about just plain cloning. Maybe you could add or take out traits of makeup another way. 50 years from now maybe we are in the "Gattaca" phase of our humanity.

I mean why create a clone with extra organs that are prone to infection etc?

Maybe just strong enough of a specimen that could do the job and die off at a relatively fast pace. Once they left we were on our own but have survived.

So just read some more of his articles, particularly the one about the great flood.

The reason you see similarities in sumerian religious texts and the bible is not some crazy coincidence, it's because they all are recycling stories and each book adds it's own little additions to it.


I had always had the theory that perhaps all this stuff in ancient times may have had a much more physical root than angels demons etc. The bible sounds like a primative person's understanding of something that is above his head. It does sound like someone was down here constantly messing with people, and that some were good, some were bad, and they all had different motives for what they did. This is why God sounds like 5 different people when you read the bible, beause I think they just erroniousely took multiple entities and combined them into this one "god", who issometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes he floods earth, then sometimes he gets upset that earth is flooded and promises never to do it again.

Look at genesis, the most interesting book of the bible. It sounds like God isn't much of a god at all when he's talking to adam, he's unaware of whats going on for a long time and then eventually adam admits what's happened. If the "god" in that story was actually God, he would know what adam did and he wouldn't have let the snake in there.




Also, I think the story is that they made hybrids through actual live birth, but like the donkey, the hybrids couldnt reproduce. Eventually they fixed that problem somehow and Adam was the frist of the hybrids that was able to reproduce, and he was assigned to work in the garden, where they cultivated food for the other slaves. But the scientist who figured out how to make him capable of reproducing wasn't supposed to do that and so he locked him in the garden and was like "yah go ahead and just stay in here for a while", but then eve got prognant and the overseer got pissed that the humans were able to reproduce. So the overseer kicks them out of the garden, then the good guy clothes them on the way out.

blah blah blah. End of story is that humans as a result of the interbreeding lived for several hundred years, which is why the bible always says men in the days of adam lived like 900 years and stuff.


A great read if nothing else, but I don't think sitchin has worked out the kinks in his storyline yet.

[tom502]

Well, God isn't Santa. He doesn't see you when you're sleeping, and knows when you're awake, or knows if you've been bad or good...

[sgreger1]

Well, God isn't Santa. He doesn't see you when you're sleeping, and knows when you're awake, or knows if you've been bad or good...

According to all religions, God is in fact like Santa, he sees all and knows all, and all that happens is the direct result of him, as all that exists is his creation. Just like leprochauns cannot exist in a computer game you programmed without leprochauns, evil can't exist in God's creation unless god put it there. But that depends on who you ask, some say that god made things perfect and man messed it all up, even though god created man, with the ability to mess up... and allowed him to mess it up... and then didn't fix it. Or something.

[sgreger1]

Cummon, dont let this thread die. Tom, say something outrageous to piss everyone off, cummon man.

[WickedKitchen]

Virgin Mary could of easily of been abducted and impregnated with a alien dna hybrid with higher spiritual connections to the universe.

Hell, wouldn't it be better to be that guy? I'd go there and bang some alien p***y. Maybe.

I think that we humans would be the ones to just take an alien from their planet to study them, probe them if you would. Just like some people here have claimed to be abducted.

[WickedKitchen]

[IMG]file:///C:/Users/WICKED%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/Users/WICKED%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.png[/IMG]I've read most of this book

http://www.curledup.com/redmar.htm

it's pretty interesting 'cos it gets into social and political concerns. This had groups from different countries and that was a piece to the political structure. Very interesting. Anyone else read it?

[tom502]

I don't know what more to say, other than being pissed my dam computer would not connect to te internet(I'm home, called in sick, and using th wife's laptop, and I hate laptops).

I watched Ancient Aliens last nigth, and I think the Summrian Annunaki thing is very interesting, especially about the mining for gold for their planet's atmosphere, and how they create a slave race called Adamu, and how this relates to the name Adam, being created in te image of God(the Gods, Elohim is plural). I find it amazing, that we, as an intelligent civilized society does not know it's origins.