Dipper's Guide to Snus

[Snusdog]

I think the newer stark portions pretty much ended the doubling up days for most folks (I'm sure not all- but most). I'd throw in a can or two when you place your order. I just would not do all starks (at least not at first). Also, when my order arrived, I’d begin with the regular strength portions- just so you can get a gauge of the normal nic level in snus

I've never really tried lower lipping a portion but then again my gig is los so I might not be the best one to tell you how that will effect saliva

[ProudMarineDad]

It really does help. I will probably just order portions because I have enough trouble keeping Cope packed much less something finer. It is good to know that one portion packs so much kick. Will help with the cost. Does anyone use more than one portion at a time?

Will have to get used to holding the portion in a different place than the pouches. I put the Camels in the same place and don't have any saliva but figure I will with the Swedish ones.

[Snusdog]

I have what is probably a dumb question. Won't be my first one nor my last one either. Does using Swedish snus produce much saliva or is it comparable to American Camel "Snus"? When I use Camel, I don't have any but have a lot when I use Grizzly pouches and other brands of smokeless and loose smokeless.

I hope it doesn't. I ordered some Discreet samples until I can get enough money for a large order of different brands of the portions based on some of your recommendations from BuySnus.com. Would love to eliminate having to have a spit cup or using my trash can at work.

Also, hoping one portion will be enough to keep the costs down. Any one who is a former dipper, can you tell me how the nictotine buzz compares from Grizzly and Cope for the different size portions, I would appreciate it.

As far as saliva goes, it depends on where you put the snus. Lower lip it and it’s the same as dip. Upper lip it and it’s significantly less. Move the snus back further in the (upper) mouth and the saliva will increase. Thus you can adjust it to preference. The great thing is no more spit cups (unless you just want them- and bro you will not believe the freedom this gives you).

As far as the nic goes I think you will find two things:
1. The nic from just a regular portion (or even a stark mini) is greater than the nic from the strongest dip. I have sent many a seasoned cope user to the can with the shits b/c he thought he could take a monster dip of snus.
2. Also you are going to find that with dip the effect was based on a lot more than just nic (there are so many other chemicals in dip its scary).

Good questions my friend.

Hope this helps.

[chadizzy1]

This is a great post, thanks snusdog.

[tom502]

Personally, I don't get much salaiva at all, and have no need to spit. I did when I 1st used snus, but I think it was because I was placing the portion too far back on the side.

[ProudMarineDad]

I have what is probably a dumb question. Won't be my first one nor my last one either. Does using Swedish snus produce much saliva or is it comparable to American Camel "Snus"? When I use Camel, I don't have any but have a lot when I use Grizzly pouches and other brands of smokeless and loose smokeless.

I hope it doesn't. I ordered some Discreet samples until I can get enough money for a large order of different brands of the portions based on some of your recommendations from BuySnus.com. Would love to eliminate having to have a spit cup or using my trash can at work.

Also, hoping one portion will be enough to keep the costs down. Any one who is a former dipper, can you tell me how the nictotine buzz compares from Grizzly and Cope for the different size portions, I would appreciate it.

[jadedcynic]

I've used dip before. The nic kick is incredible. I find it to be a big punch in the beginning then it fades away pretty fast, while snus gives the nicotine over a longer period of time.

The bigger difference for me is that when I have dip in my mouth, the kick may be great, but in the back of my mind, I know it's poison. Psychologically, snus is more enjoyable because I don't feel like I'm destroying my gums.

[paulwall9]

Great thread guys!

[Snusdog]

This is a great forum, and this thread did more for getting me to try snus than anything else. Thank you for your work on creating this and keeping it updated.

Rowdy,

It is nice to hear that the thread is serving its purpose. I think your statement just hit on one of the big reasons that so many put in so much time here. Thanks and may the snus abide 8)

[rowdymon]

Yes that was me, and I'll start posting my responses to that thread here as well...thank you for pointing it out to me again, as I was remiss in not adding my experiences here earlier.

I did not realize that Phantom and Odens were of the same manufacturer...interesting because I cracked a can of Phantom Blue last night and found that same silky texture...now it makes sense, as does the wax content being what I have noticed as a silky texture. I am going to have to play with that and see what I can change as I still have some odd 6 cans of los I have not opened yet.

The rest of this post is going to meander on various topics on los snus...so please be patient.

Now to add my two cents, I stopped dipping Copenhagen when my order came in. I wanted to make a positive change in my nicotine habits. I am a dry dipper, meaning I use my jaw and cheek tight to each other when I dip or snus los, so mudslides really aren't an issue. I use my tongue to correct movement and keep it packed to a designated area. It's a constant thing for me to do, and part of my oral fixation that I have been fixing with american dip for so long. My last dip of Copenhagen was Monday morning in the shower. Thus far it has not been a struggle, the snus has fixed my nicotine and oral needs more than adequately. I think many of us fall into that category.

When dipping American tobacco I go through a can of Cope LC in 5-6 hits. When I upper lip los snus I use a single PrisMaster load, and when I lower lip snus I use 3-4 pris master loads and use my tongue to bake them into one large pris. I don't suffer from loose los or little bits floating around in my mouth.

This is a great forum, and this thread did more for getting me to try snus than anything else. Thank you for your work on creating this and keeping it updated.

[sagedil]

I think *most* of us here qualify as well. :wink:

[ProudMarineDad]

Sage wasn't kidding. This is a great forum. I really appreciate all the info. Yes, I am nic fiend.

[lxskllr]

He means nicotine content.

Snus is different enough. Enough you shouldn't assume anything. Get a variety so you know for sure.

Yup, I thought you had too many starks on your list.

Also, I didn't include it in my list, but Grov might be a good one to try. You said you didn't want a plain flavor due to your dip experience, but snus is fairly different from dip. My very first try out box had Grov portions, and I put it off to almost the end, because I didn't think I'd like a natural flavored snus. It ended up being one of my favorites of the whole set. I wouldn't take anything for granted regarding snus. You may be surprised at what you like and don't like regarding flavors and styles.

[Snusdog]

There fixed it Here goes....

The following is from another thread on the forum. I thought the post brought up some important points that were wothy of being included on this thread:

But I'm having a hard time dealing with the silky texture of Los snus, and find myself leaning more towards portions...

Is it just the snus I've been using, Oden's and Gote Rape...

Rowdymon,

First, let me say- a big welcome to the forum. And thanks for your post.

Having come to snus via dip I can sympathies with your dilemma. Snus is by far much finer in cut than dip. That said, all snus is not the same. Some are finer than others. Also I find that the textures of various brands differ significantly. Now while I really like the cut of the Phantoms and the Odens all the V2 products have a wax like texture and feel to them. This may be some of what you are referring to.

Rather than going from one V2 to another (e.g. Oden to Phantom) might I recommend you try knox, Grov, Gotlands, Kronan and Skruf. At the same time, avoid (for now) Roda, General, Granit, Prima Fint. You will want to try these eventually but for now I think it is important just to get you acclimated to snus.

And this is important. For so many (especially x-smokers) the acclimation process is getting used to the salt. However, for us x-dippers, I really think the major point of acclimation is cut and texture.

A while back I posted a thread especially for dippers. It's called "A dipper's Guide to Snus". In it I addressed something of this issue. You can check it out if you would like.

http://www.snuson.com/viewtopic.php?t=4014


However before you go I think it is important to step back and reset your expectations. Rather, than trying to find a Swedish dip come at snus as something similar but new. I think some of the worst products out there are those that try to be an American dip like snus. My advice is to avoid them (unless it is just going to have to be your gig).

Come to terms with snus. Appreciate it for all the things that it is and then learn to adjust for those things you miss about dipping.

That said, a few months back in the “Talk with the Professional” section of the forum I pleaded with the Swedish Match reps to develop a snus with the taste and feel of Copenhagen. Brother, I assure you, there would always be a can of it in my rotation and that can would always be open. There are times when a man has got to go and spit for a while.

Do I lower lip snus? Absolutely. But the finer cut means that more is lost by spitting than with dip. Thus you learn to adjust your technique, which snus brands work best and you go with it form there. But in the end- and I cannot stress this enough- the pay off is well well worth the effort. I put down dip some 2 ½ years ago and I have never regretted it and I have never looked back.

I hope this helps and keep us posted on your progress- just remember clear the expectations and let the wonderful world of snus do the rest.

Rowdy- I'm going to stick this post over on the dipper's guide because I think that there are a lot of folks that have found and will find the same thing. As you go along, I would really appreciate it if you would add your experiences and finding to that thread. Thanks mate :wink:

[Snusdog]

Crap!!!!

How does this work????


Just shut up Roo! Don't even say a thing! :x