PACT ACT - Let's act! We can't let this pass.

[lxskllr]

As someone who is new to snus I just read back through this thread and the sky doesn't seem to be falling just yet. I've been able to get two orders from GetSnus, both through UPS. I guess I probably paid more than what you guys used to (and I suppose tobacco taxes in OK aren't nearly as bad as they are in other places). From what I've read it seems like the act just prohibits shipping tobacco through USPS. So does this mean UPS is cool with smokeless? Or is this more of a "what UPS doesn't know won't hurt them" sort of thing?

No snus shipments to MD anymore. I think ordering out of country will still work, but that'll be gone sooner than later imo. UPS is fine handing tobacco for now, but all it'll take is yet another law, or pressured change in corporate policy to close that down too. The beginning of this thread was the beginning of the end. Once freedoms are taken, they're very seldom given back. Prohibition was a rare exception. See the EU for how it usually works.

[Nate5700]

No snus shipments to MD anymore. I think ordering out of country will still work, but that'll be gone sooner than later imo. UPS is fine handing tobacco for now, but all it'll take is yet another law, or pressured change in corporate policy to close that down too. The beginning of this thread was the beginning of the end. Once freedoms are taken, they're very seldom given back. Prohibition was a rare exception. See the EU for how it usually works.

That sucks about MD. I'll guess I'll go ahead and scratch them off of my list of states I wouldn't mind living in (along with Alabama, where homebrewing is illegal). I'm usually a pretty states-rights minded guy politically, but it makes it hard when you see states turning into little micro-tyrannies.

It seems like it would be harder politically for a law to prevent a private company like UPS from shipping a legal product, but a few cries of "but what about the children" are usually enough to solve that. Call me crazy though, I still think there's room for sanity to be injected back into our political system, so please people, keep advocating for the availability of reduced harm products like snus. I think that the majority still controls politics in the US, and that the drive against tobacco happens because tobacco users aren't in the majority anymore, and most of the public is uninformed. Prohibition was beaten once, we can beat it again.

In the meantime, I guess the government feels like I'm better off addicted to prescription amphetamines, or smoking. Damn.

[HK11]

No snus shipments to MD anymore. I think ordering out of country will still work, but that'll be gone sooner than later imo. UPS is fine handing tobacco for now, but all it'll take is yet another law, or pressured change in corporate policy to close that down too. The beginning of this thread was the beginning of the end. Once freedoms are taken, they're very seldom given back. Prohibition was a rare exception. See the EU for how it usually works.

That blows. I live on 3 state lines, so hopefully I can dodge the bullet for a while. I wish SM would open a factory here in the US. In fact, I would like it to be in my hometown so someone could have a job.

[stubby2]

I remember all to well good old days when I could order snus from getsnus with $5 shipping, and free with orders over $50, and left at my doorstep when I got home. But 'nuff said about that. Those days aren't coming back.

I'm still working on my pre-PACT stash so haven't ordered anything accept some stonewalls. When the time comes I'll find a way to get the goods. The biggest problem is that it discourages new users from trying snus. With high shipping cost and high taxes in a lot of states getting into the game can be a good deal more difficult. Trying out a few cans to see if it floats your boat is way to intimidating. Hopefully that will change in the future as more Swedish snus shows up in B&M stores, but it may be a good way off when I can go to the local corner store and get high quality snus.

The PACT act is killing people.

Thats one hell of an unintended consequence.