PACT ACT - Let's act! We can't let this pass.

[rscott222]

Now its a war between frozen pizzas and snus.

[Fightin Phils]

All I know is that I've had it to hell with this liberal socialist government. I've had all the "hope" and "change" that I can stand from this joke of a president we have, and his band of liberal pukes in congress.

How long until we're standing in bread lines????

[HK11]

All I know is that I've had it to hell with this liberal socialist government. I've had all the "hope" and "change" that I can stand from this joke of a president we have, and his band of liberal pukes in congress.

How long until we're standing in bread lines????

Bad things are happening no doubt. We are living in a cult of personality while our freedoms are being stolen without so much as a wimper. Our founding fathers would shit their pants, but I am as guilty as anyone.

[chadizzy1]

No more wife, life far more easy. :wink:

you know why divorce is so expensive?

it's worth it!

[PassedPawn]

I can't tell you all the happy shivers I get when I open my freezer and see 60 - 80 cans of snus. Just a very happy. :lol: :lol:

It is a very reassuring feeling that's for sure.

[chadizzy1]

call me crazy but:

`(4) CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Subsection (a) shall not apply to tobacco products mailed by individuals who are not minors for noncommercial purposes, including the return of a damaged or unacceptable tobacco product to the manufacturer.

`(B) RULES-

`(i) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009, the Postmaster General shall issue a final rule which shall establish the standards and requirements that apply to all mailings described in subparagraph (A).

`(ii) CONTENTS- The final rule issued under clause (i) shall require--

`(I) the United States Postal Service to verify that any person submitting an otherwise nonmailable tobacco product into the mails as authorized under this paragraph is the individual identified on the return address label of the package and is not a minor;

`(II) for a mailing to an individual, the United States Postal Service to require the person submitting the otherwise nonmailable tobacco product into the mails as authorized by this paragraph to affirm that the recipient is not a minor;

`(III) that any package mailed under this paragraph shall weigh not more than 10 ounces;

`(IV) that any mailing described in subparagraph (A) shall be sent through the systems of the United States Postal Service that provide for the tracking and confirmation of the delivery;

`(V) that a mailing described in subparagraph (A) shall not be delivered or placed in the possession of any individual who has not been verified as not being a minor;

`(VI) for a mailing described in subparagraph (A) to an individual, that the United States Postal Service shall deliver the package only to a recipient who is verified not to be a minor at the recipient address or transfer it for delivery to an Air/Army Postal Office or Fleet Postal Office number designated in the recipient address; and

`(VII) that no person may initiate more than 10 mailings described in subparagraph (A) during any 30-day period.

doesn't this mean people of legal age can receive tobacco in the mail?

[orangejulay]

The law enforcement new tools to crack down on smugglers of tobacco and curb illicit tobacco sales over the Internet? where??


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[chossy]

Sorry to barge in on this subject as I really don´t know much about it.

But as it looks now, would it be legal to receive parcels from another country containing snus?
If so then there surely are ways around this.

[sagedil]

The issue with the PACT act is simple. It would ban sending ANY tobacco through the US Postal Service. (Cigars excepted of course). It would also set so many hoops for private carriers, that , and this is ONLY what I have read in various news reports, the private carriers have agreed to stop shipping it too So IF....PACT act passes, no postal service and the prvate carriers also stop carrying it, problem isn't if it is "allowed" from another country, problem is you have no way to get it shipped to you.

Again, this is a separate bill from the recently passed bill that gives the FDA power to regulate nicotine. The FDA bill really doesn't affect Swedish snus at all. It would only control what is made here in the US, and may prevent US makers from dong snus at all.


Swedish snus would still be legal, you might just have to fly to Sweden and bring it back yourself.

[BuLLitz]

Will will simply get our snus manufactures to package our snus in cigar wrapper leaves and call them cigars. :-)

[sagedil]

A lot of RYO tobacco is now being sold as "pipe" tobacco.

[chadizzy1]

Pact act blah blah...just old news.This can not and will not pass. It is not legal to curb the sale of a legal product like tobacco through the mail. The Senate will agree. Tons of companies will be put out of business, and will just make the economy worse. If anything, they may attempt to ban tobacco sale into the country through the mail as mail order companies based in the US are already subject to taxes. Bills like this get thrown up all the time. I find it silly and something I wouldn't think twice about.

[Monkey]

Hey....this PACT thing sounds bad....

[Nate5700]

As someone who is new to snus I just read back through this thread and the sky doesn't seem to be falling just yet. I've been able to get two orders from GetSnus, both through UPS. I guess I probably paid more than what you guys used to (and I suppose tobacco taxes in OK aren't nearly as bad as they are in other places). From what I've read it seems like the act just prohibits shipping tobacco through USPS. So does this mean UPS is cool with smokeless? Or is this more of a "what UPS doesn't know won't hurt them" sort of thing?

[HK11]

As someone who is new to snus I just read back through this thread and the sky doesn't seem to be falling just yet. I've been able to get two orders from GetSnus, both through UPS. I guess I probably paid more than what you guys used to (and I suppose tobacco taxes in OK aren't nearly as bad as they are in other places). From what I've read it seems like the act just prohibits shipping tobacco through USPS. So does this mean UPS is cool with smokeless? Or is this more of a "what UPS doesn't know won't hurt them" sort of thing?

The tax was so severe that I actually stopped buying online for a good while. It was pretty brutal. I had to drive a couple of hours every month to get General and resorted to dip for a while.

I don't know what changed, if anything, but the prices Ive seen lately are better. It may have been that I used to only really buy from Northerner.