Swedish snus could be banned

[Fazer]

Is this for real, or is it one of those stupid ideas politicians like to float, but have as great a chance of passing as a politician getting integrity?

My guess is, it's for real. I remember something about the banning of flavouring additives in tobacco products being on TV a few weeks ago, while they were talking about plain packaging, it's only a matter of time i'm sure.

[heders]

Is this for real, or is it one of those stupid ideas politicians like to float, but have as great a chance of passing as a politician getting integrity?

My guess is that they have little to do there.

[lxskllr]

Is this for real, or is it one of those stupid ideas politicians like to float, but have as great a chance of passing as a politician getting integrity?

[heders]

I've always thought it was a bad idea for Sweden to enter EU. This is no exception. I can't even describe the anger I'm feeling... It's not just about the snus, but that a bunch of fat ****ers in Brussels (?) decide stuff they don't know shit about and don't have right to mess with. Bunch of retards all of them...

If snus is banned I will start making my own, or go back to smoking - and I really don't want that.


The positive thing is though I know Sweden won't allow this. The amount of taxes collected from snus each year is so big that "banning snus" would cause a terrible economic loss for our country.


**** politicians.

[jmdkodiak]

profit wise, the rich get richer

the poor get poorer (that's what all systems want, and the rich have the power to do exactly that)

here;s an example - 99% of the people in most countries dont afford to buy houses and cars (they have to go in debt for that)

Rich EU countries have teamed up and sucked in the poorer countries, now all over the EU Banks popped up everywhere where they lend money to people just to make them poorer and poorer - In Romania ou end up paying for a 60K apartment twice the peice (120K) and thats just an example of why the EU has been formed the iluminati are al
l behind these dirty schemes

In Romania in 1960 - 1989 until the revolution (EVERYONE) afforded to buy a large apartment by paying 10% of their monthly salary

now the salary is not enough to buy groceries (YEP THAT's the reality)

that's the story - the EU has been formed to **** everyone up and make them poorer

only a few 5% are rich and that's because they're all influential people and have the power to do anything in their hands

including manipulating laws and so on

In romania the population is 22 million and over 6 million work abroad - imagine the poverty we're all facing ...

the communist party under Ceausescu was seen as a bad thing (yet people were living normal lives)

now most of the people fight for their existence and most of the young people barely afford to have pocket money let alone making their life (buy apartments,cars,raise children and so on)

what is this world coming to? On a large scale in many countries it's happening the same thing -

the laws are made for the rich, the poor even die because they don't afford to cover medical expenses and so on .............. no one is protected in any way by the government.

Living out of $200 - $500 in the EU is pure poverty and no one seemingly doesn't do anything about it -

Last time the people revolted in the center of Bucharest - they were beaten like animals and some of them were even killed by the the police -

I might be a bit rough on this but this is the reality - and it's happening in many of the EU countries and even the better placed ones such as Greece, SPain and Italy.... and many others.......

If you're thinking to open up a business you need to pay upfront 10 - 20K to cover your ass (protection)

for example if you're a lawyer and want to start your own bureau of lawyers you have to pay $500,000 in advance (protection money)

if you want to be a doctor the same thing happens (probably up to $50,000 if not more)

there are people living in the EU with a retirement salary of under $100 (whereas their medication is double that money)

and here's an example of the people that SEEMINGLY are doing very well in Romania by prostitution............................ (Blah Blah Blah edited)


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Mmm... Hungarian and Romanian women... *drool...*

[Snusdog]

When will we know the outcome?

When is the vote on this?

[Fazer]

So does anyone want to tell me why you people thought the EU was a good idea?

I was young when the UK joined the EU in the early 70's, but i do remember lots of people, including my mum and dad didn't want to join. They sold it to the people using trade as the argument if i remember right.

[Ansel]

You say that mate, but if the EU Commission wants to ban flavor additives in tobacco, that would mean suppliers like Toque would be F*^%ed. Toque have 37 "flavours" available, i guess Natural Toast and Original might be ok, but im not sure? What about flavored pipe tobacco ?

Then i would make my own nasal snuff with essential oils. I smoke straight virginia only in my briar pipe.

[precious007]

So does anyone want to tell me why you people thought the EU was a good idea?

profit wise, the rich get richer

the poor get poorer (that's what all systems want, and the rich have the power to do exactly that)

here;s an example - 99% of the people in most countries dont afford to buy houses and cars (they have to go in debt for that)

Rich EU countries have teamed up and sucked in the poorer countries, now all over the EU Banks popped up everywhere where they lend money to people just to make them poorer and poorer - In Romania ou end up paying for a 60K apartment twice the peice (120K) and thats just an example of why the EU has been formed the iluminati are al
l behind these dirty schemes

In Romania in 1960 - 1989 until the revolution (EVERYONE) afforded to buy a large apartment by paying 10% of their monthly salary

now the salary is not enough to buy groceries (YEP THAT's the reality)

that's the story - the EU has been formed to **** everyone up and make them poorer

only a few 5% are rich and that's because they're all influential people and have the power to do anything in their hands

including manipulating laws and so on

In romania the population is 22 million and over 6 million work abroad - imagine the poverty we're all facing ...

the communist party under Ceausescu was seen as a bad thing (yet people were living normal lives)

now most of the people fight for their existence and most of the young people barely afford to have pocket money let alone making their life (buy apartments,cars,raise children and so on)

what is this world coming to? On a large scale in many countries it's happening the same thing -

the laws are made for the rich, the poor even die because they don't afford to cover medical expenses and so on .............. no one is protected in any way by the government.

Living out of $200 - $500 in the EU is pure poverty and no one seemingly doesn't do anything about it -

Last time the people revolted in the center of Bucharest - they were beaten like animals and some of them were even killed by the the police -

I might be a bit rough on this but this is the reality - and it's happening in many of the EU countries and even the better placed ones such as Greece, SPain and Italy.... and many others.......

If you're thinking to open up a business you need to pay upfront 10 - 20K to cover your ass (protection)

for example if you're a lawyer and want to start your own bureau of lawyers you have to pay $500,000 in advance (protection money)

if you want to be a doctor the same thing happens (probably up to $50,000 if not more)

there are people living in the EU with a retirement salary of under $100 (whereas their medication is double that money)

and here's an example of the people that SEEMINGLY are doing very well in Romania by prostitution, money laundry, drugs, selling organs and so on and attention! they're protected by the governement .....why? because they have money....... that's al there is to it -

this monkey is flushing around the room about 500.000 euros in cash whereas I dream to have that money to buy a house and live a normal life.....

we cannot selll snus in Romania but we can sell WOMEN easily

probably 300K hookers are on the streets and over 300,000 women are doing video chat ;-)

life ain't fair is it?


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[AtreyuKun]

So does anyone want to tell me why you people thought the EU was a good idea?

[precious007]

True. But don’t forget that the ignorant governments get a huge amount of tax from those people, do they really give a rats ass how many of them die? My guess is ... NO

As for the tobacco nazis, it’s easier to pick a fight with a small niche market like snus, rather than take on the big boys, who have massive amounts of power and influence with the same governments that won’t do anything about the points you make ...

sad but true

with a bit of influence at least here in Europe

anyone could start a black market for snus

;-)

**** the zealots and the governemt

[Fazer]

and the ignorant government doesn't do anything about this -

• Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.* Smoking is set to kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million humans in 2030, with the biggest rise in low-and middle-income countries.
  * Every 6.5 seconds a current or former smoker dies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
  * An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide (WHO).
  
• Over 443,000 Americans (over 18 percent of all deaths) die because of smoking each year. Secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 of them.
• 1.2 million people in China die because of smoking each year. That's 2,000 people a day.
• Tobacco use will kill 1 billion people in the 21st century if current smoking trends continue.
• 33 percent to 50 percent of all smokers are killed by their habit.
  * Smokers die on average 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

True. But don’t forget that the ignorant governments get a huge amount of tax from those people, do they really give a rats ass how many of them die? My guess is ... NO

As for the tobacco nazis, it’s easier to pick a fight with a small niche market like snus, rather than take on the big boys, who have massive amounts of power and influence with the same governments that won’t do anything about the points you make ...

[precious007]

Because the tobacco nazis refuse to see the truth

and the ignorant government doesn't do anything about this -

• Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.* Smoking is set to kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million humans in 2030, with the biggest rise in low-and middle-income countries.
  * Every 6.5 seconds a current or former smoker dies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
  * An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide (WHO).
  
• Over 443,000 Americans (over 18 percent of all deaths) die because of smoking each year. Secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 of them.
• 1.2 million people in China die because of smoking each year. That's 2,000 people a day.
• Tobacco use will kill 1 billion people in the 21st century if current smoking trends continue.
• 33 percent to 50 percent of all smokers are killed by their habit.
  * Smokers die on average 15 years sooner than nonsmokers.

[Fazer]

Why the hell won't they first start with checking all the added substances in cigarettes? I find this snus blaming absolutely unbelievable. And this is not from the point of view of a 'nicotine addict' which I'm btw not. Why can't they see that snus brings significantly less health problems than smoking?

Because the tobacco nazis refuse to see the truth

[precious007]

Eff this, I will start my own country if this proposal passes. These bastards in EU get paid by cigarette companies, that's why they so desperate to ban everything that threatens market balance. Total bulls**t.

ofcourse

isn't it always about the moneyz?

I've dreamed about opening my own snus shop in Romania and now things are getting worse

no problems at the right time, I can open one online ;^)