60 Days Without a Single Puff off a Cigarette

[SnusGuy]

Congrats! I haven't had a cigarette since January 1st, and I can tell you getting rid of the craving to smoke keeps getting easier and easier with good Snus and time

[c.nash]

Congrats!

[Joe234]

Congrats! I haven't had a cigarette since January 1st, and I can tell you getting rid of the craving to smoke keeps getting easier and easier with good Snus and time

Yes. From my experience of once quitting for over 3 years in the 90s, I found
that it gets easier month by month, not day by day.

Hang in there. It does get easier.

[knucklesnus]

I went 24 hours and failed. I'm so pissed. I stopped again at 3pm today and I've had about 15 hits of snuff and about 10 portions. I'm bad right now, I can't even feel the nicotine. WTF is wrong with me. F****** hate being addicted to anything. Sucks. Worst mistake of my life, picking up a cigarette. Now it's like I'm immune. I honestly can't feel anything. I'm going out to get a can of cope when my wife gets home. How many days does it take before your not thinking / freaking out about smoking?

[myuserid]

I went 24 hours and failed. I'm so pissed. I stopped again at 3pm today and I've had about 15 hits of snuff and about 10 portions. I'm bad right now, I can't even feel the nicotine. WTF is wrong with me. F****** hate being addicted to anything. Sucks. Worst mistake of my life, picking up a cigarette. Now it's like I'm immune. I honestly can't feel anything. I'm going out to get a can of cope when my wife gets home. How many days does it take before your not thinking / freaking out about smoking?

After about 3 days, it gets a little easier.

I'm on Day 5 now, and I almost took a smoke break today while cutting the grass simply out of habit.

[Joe234]

I went 24 hours and failed. I'm so pissed. I stopped again at 3pm today and I've had about 15 hits of snuff and about 10 portions. I'm bad right now, I can't even feel the nicotine. WTF is wrong with me. F****** hate being addicted to anything. Sucks. Worst mistake of my life, picking up a cigarette. Now it's like I'm immune. I honestly can't feel anything. I'm going out to get a can of cope when my wife gets home. How many days does it take before your not thinking / freaking out about smoking?

Have yourself thrown in a county jail. They don't allow smoking in our state.
That or cold turkey is your only hope.

[Tobakssmak]

I went 24 hours and failed. I'm so pissed. I stopped again at 3pm today and I've had about 15 hits of snuff and about 10 portions. I'm bad right now, I can't even feel the nicotine. WTF is wrong with me. F****** hate being addicted to anything. Sucks. Worst mistake of my life, picking up a cigarette. Now it's like I'm immune. I honestly can't feel anything. I'm going out to get a can of cope when my wife gets home. How many days does it take before your not thinking / freaking out about smoking?

First, if you're not already using ES snus, then do. I found that I needed that to convince my subconscience that snus has enough nicotine to keep me alive. Yes, my subconscience thinks I need nic to live, just like air. Anyway, you can always back down slowly off the nic once you get smoking comfortably behind you, which is what I'm in the process of doing now.

Second, don't beat yourself up. If you feel like you need a smoke, then smoke. Just give yourself a choice. Each time, ask yourself, would I rather smoke or snus. If you're like me, you will go back and forth for a while, and eventually the snus will replace the smoking completely. There's no need to rush it, it took me 4 months of snussing and smoking before I completely quit (it's been over 2 months smoke free for me now)

Good luck.

[knucklesnus]

Good advice but I been snusing and smoking for almost a year. Snus doesn't fix the crave. I snus, I dip and I snuff like 6x an hour and still I don't feel anything except agitation. I really think I'm immune to nicotine. But a cigarette does seem to do the trick. Now tomorrow I'm going to bring my general extra sterk and double barrel the shit all day long, coupled with the snuff as well and see that happens.

All I know is that this really really sucks. I think I like to smoke, but when I consciously do it, it tastes like crap, the habit sucks. Constantly wondering what to do with the butts. In the trash, down the toilet. Running out of cigarettes constantly. Eight dollars a f*****g pack. So tired of it. There's nothing to like, yet I still feel the need.

I wish I had all phillip morris executives in my basement chained to the wall. HAHA!

There's a reason cigarettes are so addictive and I don't believe it's the frign nicotine primarily, it's all the other rubbish they put in them. That to me is deception, and punishable by death IMO. But ultimately it's my deal. I was the fool 22 years ago that decided to smoke, cough my brains out and be dumb enough to light the next one.

Cry me a river, woe is me. I got to F'N man up eh? I'm a F'N pussy with this stuff. LOL.

[Joe234]

Good advice but I been snusing and smoking for almost a year. Snus doesn't fix the crave. I snus, I dip and I snuff like 6x an hour and still I don't feel anything except agitation. I really think I'm immune to nicotine. But a cigarette does seem to do the trick. Now tomorrow I'm going to bring my general extra sterk and double barrel the shit all day long, coupled with the snuff as well and see that happens.

All I know is that this really really sucks. I think I like to smoke, but when I consciously do it, it tastes like crap, the habit sucks. Constantly wondering what to do with the butts. In the trash, down the toilet. Running out of cigarettes constantly. Eight dollars a f*****g pack. So tired of it. There's nothing to like, yet I still feel the need.

I wish I had all phillip morris executives in my basement chained to the wall. HAHA!

There's a reason cigarettes are so addictive and I don't believe it's the frign nicotine primarily, it's all the other rubbish they put in them. That to me is deception, and punishable by death IMO. But ultimately it's my deal. I was the fool 22 years ago that decided to smoke, cough my brains out and be dumb enough to light the next one.

Cry me a river, woe is me. I got to F'N man up eh? I'm a F'N pussy with this stuff. LOL.

Of course you feel agitation. Nicotine is a stimulant. What did you expect?
To be downed out? Try Xanax or booze. Better yet, marijuana.

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Try one teaspoon of baking soda three times daily. I've heard that alkalizing one's urine
keeps the nicotine in.

I heard it years ago on TV from Durk Pearson. He's the guy on the thread
I posted about The Internet, PCs, 30 years ago,etc..

[knucklesnus]

Can't smoke weed, gives me anxiety and I'm already taking klonazepam too. Nothing seems to help much.

[LaZeR]

Can't smoke weed, gives me anxiety and I'm already taking klonazepam too. Nothing seems to help much.

Switch off to a xanax and take it nightly. Does help some and will let you rest. I'm going to be giving Abilify a whirl here soon. Stay away from Seroquel.

Edit: Another thing, as you take in higher nicotine in your system, it will switch from stimulative to sedative properties. A tough balance to achieve though, believe me.

[Joe234]

Shit can the Xanax and klonazepam. I've had experience with both.
They work for awhile then you develop tolerance. One day they will
no longer be effective without higher doses. They dull the mind.
Then quitting is a bitch. Benzos like Xanax, klonazepam, Valium,etc.
can have a withdrawal lasting for months. One can seizure coming off
of Benzos for up to a month.



http://www.benzoliberty.com/information/xanaxwd.php
Xanax

THE WITHDRAWAL SYNDROME

The withdrawal syndrome from Xanax and other benzodiazepines are quite similar,

with the exception that Xanax has a much higher incidence of panic attack

and a bereavement type of emotional lability that is singularly more severe.

Since the symptoms are almost all internal, with a few physical or objective manifestations,

the diagnosis of it can be very difficult. Patients have a difficult time verbally describing

what is occurring, and much of the descriptions often take on a quality or character

reminiscent of the emotional or psychiatric problem for which they originally

began taking Xanax, and is not understood or elucidated as withdrawal symptomology.


The withdrawal syndrome, though, is quite clearly different and can be easily diagnosed

with a clear understanding of some of the more defining features.

In the early stage of withdrawal, there is a presentation of a sense of anxiety and

apprehension associated with increasing subjective sense of tremor and mild bifrontal headache.

This rapidly progresses to feelings of panic-like anxiety with tachycardia and palpitations,

as well as a rapidly progressing feeling of de-realization,

which is an altered sense of reality, additionally associated with marked

startle response and a general amplification of most sensory input.

As the withdrawal syndrome progresses, there is a marked disturbance of proprioception,

with difficulty in ambulation relative to feeling "dizzy" and "unsteady,"

needing to use reference and physical objects to steady oneself.

With the proprioceptive problem increasing in severity simple acts

such as swallowing, signing one's name, talking or even buttoning a shirt can become

extremely difficult. many patients at this stage describe

hot/cold sensations and generalized myalgia.


There is also a progession of extreme emotional lability with sudden outbursts of

crying or near panic levels of anxiety and fearfulness which

will have sudden onset without clear connection to external events.

Associated with this are frequent hypochodriacal fears of morbid consequence from

the sensations they are feeling, such as fear of heart attack or stroke.

patients will also experience a type of emotional dysphoria which is very difficult

for them to verbalize, but which come very close by cumulative description

to a bereavement type of feeling that is very painful emotionally.

Additionally, the amplification of almost all sensory information coming into the brain,

other than that of taste, can produce many bizarre misinterpretation of

sensory stimulation ranging from feeling one's teeth rotating in their sockets

to parts of their bodies disassociating or "falling off".


AS the withdrawal symptom further progresses, illusionary and hallucinatory phenomena,

predominately of a visual nature, will begin to manifest themselves,

initially with patterens and geometric shapes, and then into full-formed

complex visual hallucinations. These also often will become associated with

delusions of bodily dysfunction or discorporation.

It is very frequent and common for the patient to conclude that he is having a nervous breakdown,

or "going crazy" as an attempt to try to understand the process at hand,

not understanding it as withdrawal phenomena.

With further progression, disorientation to person and place

will occur with full delirium, and eventually withdrawal will

finalize with tonic-clonic major motor seizure activity,

generally singular in nature,

although several cases of status have been reported.


The last triad of symptoms--of hallucinosis, delirium and seizure--are

classified as major symptoms of Xanax withdrawal,

with the others classified as minor symptoms.

The withdrawal syndrome can take from six months to two years to fully resolve

and is well-documented in literature regarding this.

Not all patients will experience withdrawal symptomology for that length of time,

but most will have withdrawal for at least several months.
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Switch off to a xanax and take it nightly. Does help some and will let you rest. I'm going to be giving Abilify a whirl here soon. Stay away from Seroquel.

Edit: Another thing, as you take in higher nicotine in your system, it will switch from stimulative to sedative properties. A tough balance to achieve though, believe me.

Stay away from them all. Cannabis is safer.

Abilify makes the case that these drugs don't work well. Have you seen the ad?
" If your anti-depressant isn't working try Abilify with it."

Your distress may be caused by the poison known as Xanax.

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[knucklesnus]

They are all shit. I have good luck with MACA powder, ginkgo powder and 5-htp and a quality fish oil.

I have .5mg klonazapam, which is the lowest dose. I hardly take them as I can't stand feeling tired. However if I got to take them to get off cigarettes I will.

I never feel the same way on each day. Some days I'll take a 1/2 of one, some days a whole one, then sometimes I wont take one for two weeks.

But all that other stuff is crap. All the SSRI's do is overwork your seratonin function in the brain. They do not produce seratonin. That's a lie. Ask any biochemist, despite the claims big pharma makes. The reason most are on these things is because of sugar, lack of exercise, lack of sleep and improper nutrition and caffeine. The constant up and down from caffeine and sugar wreaks havoc on the body. Same can be said for nicotine. But personally I can't do caffeine. Makes me nuts.

The best thing I ever did for depression was learn about amino acid supplements and how they are the precursors to brain chemicals and how to get them naturally through foods. Most folks wake up and have a coffee and a bagel for breakfast and wonder why they are depressed.

Since I began starting my day with a vegetable blended shake with water and 3 raw eggs, multivitamin and fish oil. I haven't really been down and out for a long time. Protein every few hours in small quantities, a nice salad with chicken or something for lunch. Couple apples during the day for digestive function. Another veggie shake in the afternoon and a nice big piece of meat for dinner. 9pm I usually have a baked potato and I'm in bed by 10pm. The baked potato is a complex carbohydrate and is conducive to lowering sugar cravings during the day and also aids in helping the brain produce the feel good chemicals.

It's a hell of a regimen to be on but it works. I screw up here and there. Eat a 1/2 gallon of ice cream here and there. I'm not perfect, but I think that most of the depression in this country is from overwork, stress, and primarily a nutrient deficiency. Oh and do whatever you can to stay as far away from doctors as possible, but that's just me.

I also don't buy the chemical imbalance bullshit either. I've been diagnosed with it, I've been on all those drugs. Every single one of them. Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil. They are all flouride based. You know what Fluoride is? It's a neurotoxin. It basically slows your brain and robs you of your soul and life energy to the point where you don't have the energy to be depressed. That's how all that stuff works.

As for the klonazepam, it's mild and I'm not worried about it. I was on xanax for close to a year. Stopped cold turkey and for 1 week straight everytime I focused on an object it would shimmy to the left and right 1" or so. Imagine going through that for a week? Xanax sucks and I'll never touch another one for as long as I live.

Now if I could get off cigarettes, I'd actually finally know what it feels like to feel really good.

[Bigblue1]

They are all shit. I have good luck with MACA powder, ginkgo powder and 5-htp and a quality fish oil.


But all that other stuff is crap. All the SSRI's do is overwork your seratonin function in the brain. They do not produce seratonin. That's a lie. Ask any biochemist, despite the claims big pharma makes. The reason most are on these things is because of sugar, lack of exercise, lack of sleep and improper nutrition and caffeine. The constant up and down from caffeine and sugar wreaks havoc on the body. Same can be said for nicotine. But personally I can't do caffeine. Makes me nuts.

The best thing I ever did for depression was learn about amino acid supplements and how they are the precursors to brain chemicals and how to get them naturally through foods. Most folks wake up and have a coffee and a bagel for breakfast and wonder why they are depressed.

Since I began starting my day with a vegetable blended shake with water and 3 raw eggs, multivitamin and fish oil. I haven't really been down and out for a long time. Protein every few hours in small quantities, a nice salad with chicken or something for lunch. Couple apples during the day for digestive function. Another veggie shake in the afternoon and a nice big piece of meat for dinner. 9pm I usually have a baked potato and I'm in bed by 10pm. The baked potato is a complex carbohydrate and is conducive to lowering sugar cravings during the day and also aids in helping the brain produce the feel good chemicals.

It's a hell of a regimen to be on but it works. I screw up here and there. Eat a 1/2 gallon of ice cream here and there. I'm not perfect, but I think that most of the depression in this country is from overwork, stress, and primarily a nutrient deficiency. Oh and do whatever you can to stay as far away from doctors as possible, but that's just me.

I also don't buy the chemical imbalance bullshit either. I've been diagnosed with it, I've been on all those drugs. Every single one of them. Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil. They are all flouride based. You know what Fluoride is? It's a neurotoxin. It basically slows your brain and robs you of your soul and life energy to the point where you don't have the energy to be depressed. That's how all that stuff works.
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You know what this post makes a lot of sense to me. I never understood or bothered to find out why, as I'm generally a pretty level person, Don't get me wrong I don't mind poppin a xanax or a val every now and again for something different, but i don't nee much mood leveling during the day. At night that's what a few stiff drinks are for or a nice splif are for. Anyway I always seem to get a total readjustment when i eat a great sushi lunch. Never wondered about the science of it, but let's think Raw fish an rice, Sounds like a power packe protein amino fish oil meal to me. Hmmm learn something new everyday.

[danielan]

I'm generally a pretty level person ... i don't nee much mood leveling during the day..

Subject 342 seems delusional... Will continue to monitor...