Come on.

[lxskllr]

Dude that was from a skin cancer from too much sun....not too much snuff. I really don't know about the statistics of nasal snuff usage and cancer...but I'm sure some info is available. And it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody to find a positive correlation.

I haven't seen any evidence of European/English snuffs causing cancer. The only report I've found is a vague and nebulous report from the 18th century. There's also been some from from India, and third world countries, but they're fond of adding ingredients other than tobacco, same with their oral products.

[Snusmun]

I haven't seen any evidence of European/English snuffs causing cancer. The only report I've found is a vague and nebulous report from the 18th century. There's also been some from from India, and third world countries, but they're fond of adding ingredients other than tobacco, same with their oral products.

That is good news indeed! But obviously there are alot of variables at work. Don't know if there has been any modern research looking at nasal snuff in particular....I don't know, but I would venture to guess that any link to cancer would be similar to that of snus usage, which is a relatively small increase in risk.

[chainsnuser]

Re: Come on.

http://www.clubsnus.com/health.html#newstudy

Do you guys actually believe something like this?

Why not? Tobacco is a medical plant. It's only the habit of smoking that gave tobacco a bad name.

I clearly see the cigarette industry behind all the bogus-propaganda about smokeless tobacco, and sadly, they are backed by the anti-tobacco-workers, whose jobs ironically depend on cigarette-taxes.

I'm sure that Prof. Carl V. Phillips has done his math before he published that article and until now I haven't seen any statistics that disprove his claim. Smokeless tobacco is downright incredibly harmless, compared with smoking.

Cheers!

[f. bandersnatch]

It really is a beautiful thing when you think about it: big tobacco has used the virulent anti-tobacco sentiment in our society to actually keep people smoking rather than trying other methods of obtaining nicotine. They make goddanged sure that the smokeless tobacco products are assessed and warned against with the same level of urgency as cigs, and the damn nicotine nazis crap their pants stumbling over one another to comply.

Wonderful.

But on the topic of the thread, I would just say, being a person that has quit smoking on four (4) seperate occasions, I absolutely believe that a month of cigarettes (let's say "pack a day") is more harmful to your overall health and well being than a lifetime of shoving tobacco in your mouth (of course, I haven't shoved tobacco in my mouth for a lifetime yet, so I'll get back to you on that one).

To qualify this: 1. that is the opinion of a man who is about as far from a doctor as you can get. 2. Part of the reason I believe this is certainly because it helps me justify my own snus usage. and, finally 3. smoke if you want to. Your body is sovereign, and what you put into it is up to you.

[spirit72]

Dude that was from a skin cancer from too much sun....not too much snuff. I really don't know about the statistics of nasal snuff usage and cancer...but I'm sure some info is available. And it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody to find a positive correlation.

Thing is, there haven't been any definitive studies on nasal snuff in recent times that I am aware of. I know that in the 18th and 19th centuries, it was considered to cause cancer, but even then it was noted that most people who used nasal snuff also smoked in one form or another. So it can't really be isolated to snuff.

What I do know....and I think Roderick Lawrie(owner of Toque Snuff)has corroborated at some point...is that no snuff manufacturer has ever been sued by a user that got nasal cancer.

[sagedil]

Yeah i agree, i mean from a common sense standpoint alone, snus should be much better than breathing in smoke into your lungs full of tar. But that article is just going too far in my opinion. They are implying that switching to snus is actually safer, or better for you than just quitting smoking alone.

Not necessarily outrageous. Go spend some time on the pipe forums, read all the studies about pipe smoking. Some well respected studies have shown pipe smokes outliving complete non smokers. Seems a strange finding, but has been suggested that pipe smoking is so relaxing, that those benefits of "stress release" that pipe smoking brings are acyually really, really helpful for living.

So maybe snus relaxes in similar ways???

The rest. About one month of smoking being more harmful that a lifetime of snus usage is correct. Please, snus has been studded for 40 years now in Sweden. I am comfortable as saying it as safe as soda, assuming someone has no BP issues.

[MJ26]

Didnt read the whole topic, but actually nicotine does have notable effects at managing some health diseases.