Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters!

[Roo]

I've read recently that "definitely" has taken the top spot. I used to have trouble with it too. The trick that worked is to remember that the root word is "finite", not "finate" which is not a word, and there is no "A". And with unfortunately, if you can spell "fortunate", you're golden.

[sgreger1]

I've read recently that "definitely" has taken the top spot.

Lol @ Roo for trying to make it sound like he was reading "Grammer Afficianado" over the weekend, you know his research came from reading the "most searched" terms on snuson. He now knows how to properly spell assplay beaverbox .

[lxskllr]

I'm against all religion equally. They can all go to hell AFAIC. My support for any of them only extends as far as to allow them to do as they wish, so long as it doesn't affect other people. Sharia law? LMFAO! If the Canadians invaded the USA, I doubt I'd pick up a weapon to stop them. If ANY group tried to make a religious government, I'd be the first on the front lines, and I wouldn't stop until me, or they were dead.

No religion has created anything of value in the world. Any good has come from the people, and if some happened to live under Islamic rule, it was just an unfortunate circumstance. The same applies to Christianity, or any of the ridiculous shit people have propagated over the eons. One day all religion will be dead, and that'll be a good day. The primitives of Islam are lagging behind the Christians, but not by much. Their day will come, they'll slowly evolve, and superstition won't be a part of every day life as it is today.

[NonServiam]

Lol @ Roo for trying to make it sound like he was reading "Grammer Afficianado" over the weekend, you know his research came from reading the "most searched" terms on snuson. He now knows how to properly spell assplay beaverbox .

LOL! I think he's right though! I just googled it and unfortnetly, he is defenetly right!

[Roo]

Lol @ Roo for trying to make it sound like he was reading "Grammer Afficianado" over the weekend, you know his research came from reading the "most searched" terms on snuson. He now knows how to properly spell assplay beaverbox .

GRAMMAR, goddamnit! lmao. Your grammar is fine, butt u spel as wel as a too-yeer-old wypes it's owne asse

Edit: misplaced apostrophe intended. That's an advanced lesson we'll save until next year

[shikitohno]

Actually that's not true. Christians and christian wars were at their high-point during the 9 crusades, but islam has been killing hundreds of millions for several thousand years. This includes any enemies killed ina religious war and any domestic citizens they killed because of adultery, homosexuality etc. Honor killings are still big around the world. christianity has mostly died down and is pretty moderate for the most part, however in islamic countries people are still routinely murdered for even the msot minor offenses and without trial.

I am willing to bet that as far as religious deaths are concerned, Islam probably takes the cake by a pretty large margin. But again, it's not happening here so frankly I don't care. If that's how they want to run their soverign countries than so be it. As long as you don't bring that shit to my neighborhood.

Hate to burst your bubble there, sgreger, but Islam has only been around since roughly 700 AD if you go by history. How man thousands of years can they really have been killing people for? Also, not something you said but more tom, just because someone who committed an attack was Muslim, that doesn't make it Islamic terrorism, just like in that bit devillock76 demonstrated. If you want to play that angle, the majority of the US armed forces are Christian, as are most European armed forces. Therefore, by your logic, the number of radical Christian attacks just considering Iraq and Afghanistan every day is mind boggling, and Islamic attacks pale in comparison.

@the guy on the first page bitching about the war on Christianity, your religion has no place in public schools or government. Nobody's saying you can't be religious, they're saying you can't force your religion on everyone else's kids in public schools. A Muslim community centre is a private enterprise, not subject to the same restrictions as public institutions. I'm really growing tired of all these "Liberals are waging war on Christianity!" fools when they're just holding it to the same standard as anyone else. Besides which, Christianity is essentially waging war on all other schools of thought with their constant attempts to shut down any other religion, philosophy or science which disagrees with the Bible in the name of reprisals for this imagined war. Get over the fact that the halcyon days of the 1800s are gone and you can't just foist your beliefs on everyone else in public schools/offices and expect the community to treat those so bold as to disagree with you as pariahs.

Another thing to keep in mind, Islam is not a personal faith "religion", like Christianity, or Buddhism, etc., it's a "complete way of life", which they will tell you themselves, that have rules for everything they do, be it butt wiping or foot cleaning.... along with a sepratist theocratical world motive. It's more a totalitarian theocratic slave state political system, and cannot be compared with other religions, that want freedom to practice their personal faith as they see fit.

Really tom? So that whole excommunicate anyone who disagrees with the leader of your chosen branch of Christianity thing, totally for freedom? Hindu terrorists seeking a return to more strict observance (like the guy who assassinated Gandhi), all about personal choice in practice? The absurd list of commands about who you can marry, when, where, and how you can have sex in the Bible, again, all for personal freedom?

[tom502]

I would say the terrorists who commit their acts are fake Muslims, but that's just me, the terrorist who does it, and yells "Allahu Akbar", believes he is a Muslim, and doing holy war. So, it is Islamic terrorism, because the actors believe they are doing Jihad. Now, I think they are nuts, and have distorted beliefs of Islam, but then, Islam became distorted long ago, with the manmade innovational additions of Hadith, and Sari, and Sharia, which has actually perveted Quranic Islam into a fanatical Muhammadanism(Muhammed worship) thocracy. I support the Islamic trends of Quran Only, and Sufism. I also like, and have a large collection of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music. I don't hate Muslims or Islam, I hate Hadithic Islam, and deluded actions of it's adherants. And being excommunicated from a Christian church, is not the same as being marked for death, and it being carried out by your brothers or father because you left Islam. I think if anything, and it's probably a fantasy, because Muhammedanism is so hardwired into these people, if they could only see how it goes against Quranic Islam, they might wake up, but it's doubful, the Muhammedans have the main control of the masses.

Of course there has been some Hindu, and even Sikh terrorism, but it's small in comparison to Islamic. And it not worldwide in intention, but more akin to the N. Ireland disputes.

[devilock76]

I would say the terrorists who commit their acts are fake Muslims, but that's just me, the terrorist who does it, and yells "Allahu Akbar", believes he is a Muslim, and doing holy war. So, it is Islamic terrorism, because the actors believe they are doing Jihad. Now, I think they are nuts, and have distorted beliefs of Islam, but then, Islam became distorted long ago, with the manmade innovational additions of Hadith, and Sari, and Sharia, which has actually perveted Quranic Islam into a fanatical Muhammadanism(Muhammed worship) thocracy. I support the Islamic trends of Quran Only, and Sufism. I also like, and have a large collection of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music. I don't hate Muslims or Islam, I hate Hadithic Islam, and deluded actions of it's adherants. And being excommunicated from a Christian church, is not the same as being marked for death, and it being carried out by your brothers or father because you left Islam. I think if anything, and it's probably a fantasy, because Muhammedanism is so hardwired into these people, if they could only see how it goes against Quranic Islam, they might wake up, but it's doubful, the Muhammedans have the main control of the masses.

Of course there has been some Hindu, and even Sikh terrorism, but it's small in comparison to Islamic. And it not worldwide in intention, but more akin to the N. Ireland disputes.

Here we get to something, most of the Islamic world is subjugated right now. By their own people typically. Free thought has not been incouraged under those governments. Most don't speak out against terrorists because those are people with guns and bombs and ready to use them and they are scared to. The truth is most Muslims are true victims of terrorism in more ways than many other cultures are in these cases.

Ken

[Roo]

Two things I said in another thread that I think are worth repeating:

To equate terrorism with Islam as a whole is to tow the same line as Newt Gingrich and Osama Bin Laden.

The most prolific killers of Muslims today are the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden, and the many organizations affiliated with Al Qaeda. Most Muslims, I would argue, are well aware of that fact.

Almost all of those events that Tom cited are the result of ideological warfare, Muslim vs Muslim. To further illustrate the differences between Muslims, those attacks Tom listed are sectarian and tribal in nature. To use the majority of those examples from Pakistan and Afghanistan, it is the radicalized sector of Pashtuns vying for control of their tribal land and killing anyone who stands in their way. So, it's basically civil war that we're talking about with that list, nothing new to the people in Afghanistan, and certainly not the fault of Islam itself.

[sgreger1]

Hate to burst your bubble there, sgreger, but Islam has only been around since roughly 700 AD if you go by history. How man thousands of years can they really have been killing people for? Also, not something you said but more tom, just because someone who committed an attack was Muslim, that doesn't make it Islamic terrorism, just like in that bit devillock76 demonstrated. If you want to play that angle, the majority of the US armed forces are Christian, as are most European armed forces. Therefore, by your logic, the number of radical Christian attacks just considering Iraq and Afghanistan every day is mind boggling, and Islamic attacks pale in comparison.

Mohammad died in 632 AD, 1,378 years ago. Not "thousands" I suppose, but a large gap of time none the less. I really don't care who killed more because they have all killed too many. Tell me shiki, why so many people on this forum are quick to bring up the crusades as examples of christians killing others, but yet try to fight tooth and nail to defend the idea that the muslims have always been such a peacefull people and that they never killed anyone for religious reasons. Let's be fair in our assessment here, both groups have killed millions in one way or another. It is not fair to say christians started it and therefore muslims didn't ever hurt anyone. They are both guilty.


I I said in my last post the same thing you did, that just because someone does something, it doesnt mean it was for religion. They just so happened to be born into that religion. Humans are humans. Killing is not a religious concept, religion just exploits the human tendancy to want to blame someone else and kill them.

[tom502]

Would you rather live in a "Christian Nation", or an "Islamic Nation"? If you had to choose between these two.

[lxskllr]

[Roo]

I'm pretty sure most people prefer to live right where they do... As for visiting other nations, 1 month from now I will be kicking back drinking cocktails on Juara Beach on the island of Tioman, off the coast of the Malay peninsula. While obviously not a hardline theocracy, Malaysia's state religion is Islam. That's right, I will be drinking hard alcohol and beer, as both are readily available, and enjoying the freedom to do whatever the hell I want. Malaysia is a multi-religious country which allows the freedom to practice any faith, yet by constitutional definition, it is an Islamic state. There's your perfect example of "moderate Islam", and just one example at that.

I'll post pictures of the nice "Islams" I meet on my trip, and I'll be sure to ask them if they support violent jihad against America, and if they kinda want to kill me

Edit: lol nice post lxskllr!

[tom502]

I guess I was thinking a more Sharia law type nation, like Saudia Arabia. So, while Malaysia may list Islam as their state religion, if they allow alcohol, they obviously don't abide by Islamic sharia law.

[Roo]

I guess I was thinking a more Sharia law type nation, like Saudia Arabia. So, while Malaysia may list Islam as their state religion, if they allow alcohol, they obviously don't abide by Islamic sharia law.

Many Muslim establishments don't serve alcohol to Muslims, but if you're not Muslim or if you're a Muslim who doesn't give a shit you are free to buy it in stores or even bring your own to a restaurant. Other establishments, like the one I'm staying at, serve it openly. To be fair, the owner is of Chinese decent so most likely Buddhist or Athiest. The point is that it's a tolerant, yet Islamic nation, and also quite moderate. Many religions are freely practiced. Just trying to paint a realistic picture of what moderate Islam looks like. And who says that in order to be a "true" Muslim you can't drink alcohol? Is my Jewish friend who eats shellfish and fish without scales not a real Jew? I drank copius amounts of vodka in Uzbekistan, with Muslims. Muslims who pray to Allah and worship in mosques. Are they not real? Are my Christian friends who have premarital sex and hit you back if you hit them first not the kind of Christian one refers to when speaking of people who believe in Christ and read the Bible?