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Originally posted by texasmade View PostYou can't justify shit they do as good.
Tex your baseless claim that the nation of israel are terrorists is completely out of pocket. You name a time when some cop shot some unarmed people, or shot someone for no reason, of instances of overkill in their military campaigns, them blockading and choking their enemies economiclly? How is that any different from what the US does, or any country for that matter.
Name one thing israel does that the us doesnt. Ill wait.
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Originally posted by Bigblue1 View PostIt's almost 6 on a saturday in the midwest fool, of course I'm drinkin already..... Just put my potatoes in the oven and ready to fire the grill, got a couple a 1lb ribeyes ready to flame......
Im back from the cornerstore with a fourty of OE and a tall can of high gravity lager. Watch as my posts slowly become less and less relevant to the thread and poorly spelled.
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Originally posted by sgreger1 View PostTex your baseless claim that the nation of israel are terrorists is completely out of pocket. You name a time when some cop shot some unarmed people, or shot someone for no reason, of instances of overkill in their military campaigns, them blockading and choking their enemies economiclly? How is that any different from what the US does, or any country for that matter.
Name one thing israel does that the us doesnt. Ill wait.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-gaza-israel
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2...ls-baby-9.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-in-Gaza.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/top-swed...rgans-1.282166
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ls-palestinian
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article8958.shtml
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3245
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07312006.html
take your time and look around for yourself on youtube and news outside of the US.
The U.S. doesn't have a buffer zone pushed into mexico and we aren't bombing and shooting mexicans on their own land.
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Originally posted by texasmade View Post
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...er-gaza-israel
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/2...ls-baby-9.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-in-Gaza.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/top-swed...rgans-1.282166
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ls-palestinian
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article8958.shtml
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3245
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07312006.html
take your time and look around for yourself on youtube and news outside of the US.
The U.S. doesn't have a buffer zone pushed into mexico and we aren't bombing and shooting mexicans on their own land.
Actually we have done that. But back then it was called "ye with the biggest dick wins" and not terrorism.
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Okay ive watched the videos and the links. So it seems the beef here is that they have killed children and often times use excessive force in military campaigns. Geeze, if that was the criteria for declaring a nation as a "terrorist" state, than i suppose every nation is a terrorist state.
The worlds an ugly place tex, dont think we dont commit those same crimes and dont think the palestinians dont commit those same crimes either. The best policy would be for us to cordon off the middle east and leave them be. Its not our fight to referee.
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Originally posted by sgreger1 View PostOkay ive watched the videos and the links. So it seems the beef here is that they have killed children and often times use excessive force in military campaigns. Geeze, if that was the criteria for declaring a nation as a "terrorist" state, than i suppose every nation is a terrorist state.
The worlds an ugly place tex, dont think we dont commit those same crimes and dont think the palestinians dont commit those same crimes either. The best policy would be for us to cordon off the middle east and leave them be. Its not our fight to referee.
That's the point. Every nation has been guilty of it at one point of another, but there is no reason to murder kids and women and innocent people on their own countries land for crossing into a buffer zone that is rightfully palestines. They shot an 8 year old boy in the face and blew the back of his head out. IDF soldiers did that. completely uncalled for. look up the pictures I'll remember his name in a bit. And we support this. we support israel in shooting down civilians on their own soil.
on a sidenote. I'm getting some Beefeaters in about an hour
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The only thing I can really think of at the moment is their constant threats of pre-emptive nuclear strikes, but if you count the Cold War we've done that. Seriously, though, if a country so much as looks at Israel the wrong way, there's a press release the next day, "X country has been mean to us. We reserve our right to protect ourselves from anyone who disagrees with us in the slightest, and will take pre-emptive action if they push our buttons one more time." For the most part it's just bravado, but they carry out a fair number of those promises too. I'll agree with you that it's not our fight to referee, but I think the fight would be negligible had someone realized that back in '48. I'm sure there would be some who would have bitched and moaned for a while anyway, but if the Israelis had actually fought for their land and won a war of conquest, as opposed to having it given to them by the UN and the British, Hamas and Hezbollah would have no legs left to stand on aside from some jihadist rhetoric. I'm pretty sure the Israelis could have won it too, because whatever else I may say about them, they are damn good at fighting. Had that happened, I'd not have any sympathy for the Palestinian state movement, because as I say about the Israelis when they talk about their "right" to the land, "You lost your right to this land when another group came along and conquered you and drove you out of it. Just because you really like it now, doesn't mean you deserve it." Had the reconquered their current land, rather than receiving it as a "Our bad 'bout not stopping that Holocaust thing earlier" gift, and the Palestinians moaned about their right to the land, I'd have to say the same thing about them I say of the Israelis now.
Might makes right isn't a pretty philosophy, but it's kind of the major underpinning of the entire concept of war. The guy with the strongest army becomes acknowledged as the dude with the biggest dick, and the other guy becomes his bitch. Sort of the whole premise of war, really.
Actually, the one thing Israel does that nobody else practices (at least not on nearly the same scale) is the Settler's movement. There is a fair share terrorist-style activity in their expansion, and they only aggravate the situation further, I feel. So, that being said, Lazer come post the pic about internet arguments and the Special Olympics, we'll probably be there soon, Israel's been brought up. The odds of having a rational debate on the internet about this without a flamewar is about as good as the chances of Bill Gates having a rational debate of race relations in Harlem.
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