Ignorance?

[dreed2]

Freedom is something that we should NEVER give up because of any extremists, religious, political, or otherwise! We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

[texastorm]

And still I repeat. Its not illegal and shouldn't be, its just a dick move on their part.


FYI I dont think building a church at ground zero is appropriate either. But this is America and no one (xcept city zoners) are going to stop anything of the sort. I wouldn't want them too. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand in hand. If you want to show your entire religion is intolerant of Christians and the west in general (or vice versa towards the east), unwilling to adapt, and ignorant of the fears of those you are offending... by all means do your thing dawg!

[Frosted]

I think America has completely and totally lost the plot. In fact I'm shocked at your naievity - so shocked I think you're a joke.

[Snussles]

Why don't they just built a number of religious building in that area? Not just a mosque? Something that will signify "togetherness", that we can set our differences aside, and believe in what ever we wish. Ground zero is a rather big area, a number of building can be built there. And just have it be some "ultimate religious" area, the USA's own holy land, where many religions can come and pray.

I just think that while a mosque would be a good idea, it might show everyone that there is a big difference between those who follow the faith of Islam and those that a terrorists, and that these are just normal people that happen to get a bad name because of some douchebags, USA still has there own religious crazies and who is to say that once the mosque is built there will not be 24/7 defacement and protests of the building. I just don't think that with our own particular groups of people and the infamous "the south" would really act appropriately in accepting the mosque's existence and would instead just cause trouble.

[lxskllr]

The sooner religion is gone, the better. They should just ban all religious buildings in NYC, and call it a day. Existing buildings can stay for historical purposes, but no new ones can be built. I suppose that would be against the constitution, but if I were running the show, the constitution would be gone, right after congress.

[Snussles]

The sooner religion is gone, the better. They should just ban all religious buildings in NYC, and call it a day. Existing buildings can stay for historical purposes, but no new ones can be built. I suppose that would be against the constitution, but if I were running the show, the constitution would be gone, right after congress.

Heh, even a better idea. Actually, speaking of religion, wouldn't building any religious building in the ground zero just be a "smack in the face". Religion was the reason for the destruction of these two buildings. You had a number of people that were fed and brainwashed with strong religious teachings and they, the terrorists, went along with doing something that they thought was going to please their beliefs. Not saying that specifically the mosque would be distasteful, but the general idea that often times religion, most of them actually, are often are responsible in some way for very violent acts of discrimination and death.

Heh, I think instead we should just build a some science-oriented museum, or better yet, let us built a museum in honor of and name it after Charles Darwin. Haha.

[lxskllr]

It's in very bad taste. I'm not sure why anyone thinks its a good idea. It's perfectly legal, but it's a big **** you to anyone who isn't Muslim.

[LaZeR]

It's in very bad taste. I'm not sure why anyone thinks its a good idea. It's perfectly legal, but it's a big **** you to anyone who isn't Muslim.

+1

[sgreger1]

Often times we like to believe that all terrorists are doing what they do because of religion, but anyone whos been in the army should know that while religion is of course a factor, like with most things this all boils down to money and power. Terrorism is rampant in the middle east because for the most part, places like iraq are filled with poor people. They happen to be religious and religion always puts a strong emphasis on family. Many times "terrorists" do what they do for money. Their families get paid if the husband becomes a suicide bomber (well paid) and its just a convenience that the religion says you will be rewarded in heaven too.


The life of a suicide bomber is one i dont think many understand. Many times a prospective suicide bomber will be flow to iran or elsewhere and wined and dined, they will eat lavish foods and be given expensive drugs. They tend to get a last supper of sorts, and are often tricked into bombing something. For example, a man is given opium and told that he is doing a test run on an army checkpoint in iraq. That the bomb in his car is fake and that his purpose is just to test security at the checkpoint to see if hes found out. Then when he gets there, the bomb is remotely engaged by another operative and it goes off.


Religion is not the only reason we have terrorists. Terrorist organizations are no different than the mob, they are well funded and filled with backstabbing. Perhaps the soldiers think its about religion, but the leaders are running a militia, an organized crime ring. They know this is about power more than religion, and use religion as a convenient excuse.



This mosque is being built by a private owner with their money, so there is no reason why they should not be allowed to build it. New york has a heavy muslim population so i dont see any surprise here. And as mentioned in the video justin posted, the community is happy to see some money being pumped into the area.


Sometimes we scapegoat the religion, when really alquaida is little more than a large gang, no different from bloods or crips. These are criminal organisations, and to say all muslims are in on it is like saying all blacks are gang members.

[Bigblue1]

I think America has completely and totally lost the plot. In fact I'm shocked at your naievity - so shocked I think you're a joke.

Yeah, but you ruined the gulf and made a deal with Libya for the Lockerbie bomber. Also with out you guys we'd have no one to be like..... socialized health care and such....

[Frosted]

Yeah, but you ruined the gulf and made a deal with Libya for the Lockerbie bomber. Also with out you guys we'd have no one to be like..... socialized health care and such....

What on earth has that got to do with this thread subject? Fool.

But to go off topic - the decision to release Megrahi was terrible but was a judicial decision and seperate from government. As for the gulf I couldn't give a monkeys - and healthcare in Britain is excellent - they saved my wifes life not so long ago.

Back on topic please.

[lxskllr]

This mosque is being built by a private owner with their money, so there is no reason why they should not be allowed to build it. New york has a heavy muslim population so i dont see any surprise here. And as mentioned in the video justin posted, the community is happy to see some money being pumped into the area.

There isn't a question on legality, but the location choice defies logic. If you wanted to build a mosque, does the WTC site really seem like a good idea? If I were reviewing sites, that would be immediately off the table unless I was intentionally trying to piss people off.

[sgreger1]

There isn't a question on legality, but the location choice defies logic. If you wanted to build a mosque, does the WTC site really seem like a good idea? If I were reviewing sites, that would be immediately off the table unless I was intentionally trying to piss people off.

This is the muslim style though. And it is to piss people off. No one can pretend this isnt an intentional dick move that will undoubtedly be hailed as some kind of victory for the jihadists.

Islam wins another round. Little surprise there.

[Frosted]

It's got to be said - this thread along with the undercover cop Nazi thread makes me wonder if I'm talking to a sane group of people.

And yeah - The Megrahi release was a terrible decision made by the judiciary - just to show that I have at least an ounce of sanity.
As for the Gulf - I couldn't give a monkeys. Everybody wants oil but cries like babies when something goes wrong.
Our healthcare system is first class - the National Health Service saved my wifes life a few months ago.

Back on topic BB please.

[Bigblue1]

What on earth has that got to do with this thread subject? Fool.

But to go off topic - the decision to release Megrahi was terrible but was a judicial decision and seperate from government. As for the gulf I couldn't give a monkeys - and healthcare in Britain is excellent - they saved my wifes life not so long ago.

Back on topic please.

Take it easy killer, I was being facetious.... sheesh did I hit a sore spot.....