The greatest President in 100 years

[Veganpunk]

Agree on the politics and religion thread. I miss VBsnus.

[LaZeR]

Agree on the politics and religion thread. I miss VBsnus.

Actually just a (forum/section) not just a thread. This way general BS and offtopic chit chat, funneh's ect.. could be in General Chat = People & Places and sub-forum to view/participate in political and religious discussions that way we could choose when in the mood to view them and not have to sift through them otherwise.

Personally I have no problem with them being here but I find myself getting 'baited' into them at times I would rather not go there simply because of the number of them in the MAIN section(s) and having to read all the titles whilst browsing through general posts.

[GoVegan]

A politics section would be nice. Is there a reason we don't have one?

[bsd777]

Gotta wonder if Obama's fear of veterans isn't the reason why he wants to keep these wars going, like maybe he's afraid that if he brings the army home they'll decide to liberate us from the nanny staters in D.C..

We fear what we do not understand. Obama can dot fathom why anyone would fight to defend this country and he has no understanding of faith, honor, duty or service. He's never served anyone but himself. I think your on to something. It's not like the returning solders are going to be able to find a job. Imagine thousands of well trained, jobless, young men.

[bsd777]

I have to admit that I am very impressed by the amount of respect (or is it tolerance) that the moderators have in regards to people posting their personal beliefs, no matter how nutty they are, in this forum. I cannot tell you how many forums I am unable to post to because I wrote some comment about animal rights or something like that, no matter how respectful I tried to be. I also believe that there is room for this in a forum as long as comments don't become personal attacks. On example I see all the time is that I have a feeling that this forum is at least sponsored by Northerner and yet I see complaints about Northerner all over the place. On the other hand, try to posts pro snus comments in an anti tobacco forum and I doubt they will be there for long.

Snuson Rocks!

I agree, allowing such dissent is very upstanding. I'm not sure I follow you on the nutty. I agree there's lots of nutty thoughts espoused here, but conspiracy theories and communist worship are not exactly rare these days.

[bsd777]

I'm not sure how to post a reply to a page long post, so this one's for our favorite statist Joe.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'm embarassed to admitt that I've never ever heard of Fontova before. I'll definitely have to read his stuff. "Casey describes Fontova's prose as a marriage of Ann Coulter with the Gonzo journalism of Hunter S. Thompson, remarking that "he basically yells at his readers, mixing a sarcastic wit with a touch of self-deprecation until it is overwhelmed by disdain for his opponents." Coulter and Thompson are two of my favorites!

As for the list, I'm confused, are these bad things?

Reagan actively opposed statist/communists on many occasions, in many locations. Have you ever been to Grenada? They still LOVE Americans. I saw the spot, where the communists ambushed and assassinated their president. Impressions made by rounds hitting the wall are still very visible.

Reagan fired the unionized air traffic controllers, after they refused to return to work. Unions are responsible for much of our present day predicament. We should crush them whenever possible before they do more damage. Also, those employed in a public safety/critical position e.g. police, fire fighters, air traffic controllers, do NOT have a right to strike.

I've said it before, but if you don't like the drug laws, work to change them, but don't expect support for lawlessness.

Iran/Contra - lets see, he made some deals to free American hostages, funneled arms to freedom fighters in Nicaragua and did something else, that I suppose was bad, but don't recall. I would have preferred he lit Iran up like a Christmas tree, after we got our people back. Maybe leveled the entire god forsaken country, paved it over and sold/lease the parcels to oil companies. No one is perfect.

You had a lot of junk in your post and to be honest I didn't click all the links, but if you mistakenly believe you've made an intelligent point, that I've somehow failed to address, please speak up.

Oh, Jessie Ventura is an idiot. Anyone he criticizes gains credibility, as far as I'm concerned.

[Fury]

Sometimes I like to put my testicles in a vice grip and tighten it until I pass out... ya know, for fun.

[GoVegan]

I'm not sure how to post a reply to a page long post, so this one's for our favorite statist Joe.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'm embarassed to admitt that I've never ever heard of Fontova before. I'll definitely have to read his stuff. "Casey describes Fontova's prose as a marriage of Ann Coulter with the Gonzo journalism of Hunter S. Thompson, remarking that "he basically yells at his readers, mixing a sarcastic wit with a touch of self-deprecation until it is overwhelmed by disdain for his opponents." Coulter and Thompson are two of my favorites!

As for the list, I'm confused, are these bad things?

Reagan actively opposed statist/communists on many occasions, in many locations. Have you ever been to Grenada? They still LOVE Americans. I saw the spot, where the communists ambushed and assassinated their president. Impressions made by rounds hitting the wall are still very visible.

Reagan fired the unionized air traffic controllers, after they refused to return to work. Unions are responsible for much of our present day predicament. We should crush them whenever possible before they do more damage. Also, those employed in a public safety/critical position e.g. police, fire fighters, air traffic controllers, do NOT have a right to strike.

I've said it before, but if you don't like the drug laws, work to change them, but don't expect support for lawlessness.

Iran/Contra - lets see, he made some deals to free American hostages, funneled arms to freedom fighters in Nicaragua and did something else, that I suppose was bad, but don't recall. I would have preferred he lit Iran up like a Christmas tree, after we got our people back. Maybe leveled the entire god forsaken country, paved it over and sold/lease the parcels to oil companies. No one is perfect.

You had a lot of junk in your post and to be honest I didn't click all the links, but if you mistakenly believe you've made an intelligent point, that I've somehow failed to address, please speak up.

Oh, Jessie Ventura is an idiot. Anyone he criticizes gains credibility, as far as I'm concerned.

Yes! What we need to do is really fu** the middle class and attack anything that remotely resembles a union. That we we can all go to college and then work our arses off for $8.00 an hour when we are done. We wont have to worry about paying for vacations either because we can just work 7 days a week. We need to eliminate all pension plans, especially public pension plans. We will have plenty of time to rest after we die. Lastly, we should get rid of anything that even hints of government run health care. It will save us lots if we just allow nature to take its course and let people, especially poor people die from some simple disease. Hell, lets just call death the poor mans retirement plan.

[Bigblue1]

I'm not sure how to post a reply to a page long post, so this one's for our favorite statist Joe.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'm embarassed to admitt that I've never ever heard of Fontova before. I'll definitely have to read his stuff. "Casey describes Fontova's prose as a marriage of Ann Coulter with the Gonzo journalism of Hunter S. Thompson, remarking that "he basically yells at his readers, mixing a sarcastic wit with a touch of self-deprecation until it is overwhelmed by disdain for his opponents." Coulter and Thompson are two of my favorites!

As for the list, I'm confused, are these bad things?

Reagan actively opposed statist/communists on many occasions, in many locations. Have you ever been to Grenada? They still LOVE Americans. I saw the spot, where the communists ambushed and assassinated their president. Impressions made by rounds hitting the wall are still very visible.

Reagan fired the unionized air traffic controllers, after they refused to return to work. Unions are responsible for much of our present day predicament. We should crush them whenever possible before they do more damage. Also, those employed in a public safety/critical position e.g. police, fire fighters, air traffic controllers, do NOT have a right to strike.

I've said it before, but if you don't like the drug laws, work to change them, but don't expect support for lawlessness.

Iran/Contra - lets see, he made some deals to free American hostages, funneled arms to freedom fighters in Nicaragua and did something else, that I suppose was bad, but don't recall. I would have preferred he lit Iran up like a Christmas tree, after we got our people back. Maybe leveled the entire god forsaken country, paved it over and sold/lease the parcels to oil companies. No one is perfect.

You had a lot of junk in your post and to be honest I didn't click all the links, but if you mistakenly believe you've made an intelligent point, that I've somehow failed to address, please speak up.

Oh, Jessie Ventura is an idiot. Anyone he criticizes gains credibility, as far as I'm concerned.

Yes! What we need to do is really fu** the middle class and attack anything that remotely resembles a union. That we we can all go to college and then work our arses off for $8.00 an hour when we are done. We wont have to worry about paying for vacations either because we can just work 7 days a week. We need to eliminate all pension plans, especially public pension plans. We will have plenty of time to rest after we die. Lastly, we should get rid of anything that even hints of government run health care. It will save us lots if we just allow nature to take its course and let people, especially poor people die from some simple disease. Hell, lets just call death the poor mans retirement plan.

These 2 posters are a classic example of 2 people feeling the same way, but letting their "I'm on the correct team" mentality get the better of them....

[Boston Mike]

I'm thinking maybe Vegan was being sarcastic and, in fact, disagreeing with bsd777. Just my opinion.
I would like to think those who speak of "lighting up" and "leveling" entire populations are being sarcastic as well, but usually they aren't.
And I think Hunter would be spinning in his grave if he heard he was being compared to Coulter...also just my opinion.

[Skruf]

George Washington Hands down!

[bsd777]

Yes! What we need to do is really fu** the middle class and attack anything that remotely resembles a union. That we we can all go to college and then work our arses off for $8.00 an hour when we are done. We wont have to worry about paying for vacations either because we can just work 7 days a week. We need to eliminate all pension plans, especially public pension plans. We will have plenty of time to rest after we die. Lastly, we should get rid of anything that even hints of government run health care. It will save us lots if we just allow nature to take its course and let people, especially poor people die from some simple disease. Hell, lets just call death the poor mans retirement plan.

You sound like a man who could really use some buffalo wings. The fundamental flaw of unions is they seek to extort more than the free market dictates and extortion is always wrong. More practically and specifically, they have have killed Detroit by demanding $80 and hour for unskilled labor and fully paid "lay offs" etc with no regard for the end result or quality of the finished product. Even their original purpose is unnecessary in our modern information age. If you have there companies building cars, and one attempts to treat their works unfairly, how long would it be before word got out and boycotts ensued? Many have attempted this with Walmart, but it has been largely unsuccessful because most Americans believe Walmart treats its employees fairly and on par with comparable employment elsewhere.

Modern unions are little more than political action committees who extract money, from workers, which is used to promote politics which are contrary to the best interests of the aforementioned worker. Their current support of illegal immigration is one example.

[bsd777]

I'm pro-Juche, is that right or left?

I had to look this one up. Below is from wikipedia. This "philosophy" contradicts itself, but the short answer is, if you like the North Korean form of govt, you are a statist. Statism is celebrated by the left exclusively. The right promotes individual freedom over state control.

According to Kim Jong-il's On the Juche Idea, the application of Juche in state policy entails the following:

1. The people must have independence (chajusong) in thought and politics, economic self-sufficiency, and self-reliance in defense.
2. Policy must reflect the will and aspirations of the masses and employ them fully in revolution and construction.
3. Methods of revolution and construction must be suitable to the situation of the country.
4. The most important work of revolution and construction is molding people ideologically as communists and mobilizing them to constructive action.

The Juche outlook requires absolute loyalty to the revolutionary party and leader. In North Korea, these are the Workers' Party of Korea and Kim Jong-il, respectively.

[bsd777]

And I think Hunter would be spinning in his grave if he heard he was being compared to Coulter...also just my opinion.

Agree. He was a bit of a confused leftist. The product of a drug and anti-war culture which mistakenly believed the leftists/statists equaled individual freedom.

But the author wasn't comparing the two. He described the writer as a CROSS between Coulter and Thompson. Meaning they displayed characteristics from both.

[bsd777]

George Washington Hands down!

Yes, definitely one of the best. Perhaps the best, but definitely in the top 5, but not within the last 100 years.