Why is Pro-Hitler and Alex Jones Allowed on this list?

[tom502]

She may be a reptilian morpher.

[sgreger1]

I can agree that eventually Jews and others were placed in camps. Before that, many Jews left of their own volition, no one was prevented from leaving. Ships of Jews went to the UK, and the US, and were turned away. The Germans had a plan to relocate the Jews to Madagascar. Many Jews stayed and "converted" and became generals in the Nazi army. The allies bombed the supply routes to the camps. I think this true, though it does not get discussed much. The site I recommend as something interesting, is very in depth and detailed, and one would have to view it in their own time.

First of all that is true, at the beginning, many jews saw what was brewing and were able to escape. That changed suddenly and they began rounding them up, saying they were simple "relocations camps". When they arrived they still didn't know what their fate was, they even handed over all of their jewelry when they got there voluntarily (later they would pull the gold filling out of their teeth and sell it, but that's another story).

The allies bombed any supply routes, this was a war. The work camps were providing boots and other materials to the nazis, we should have bombed the labor camps, done them all a favor. But either way, the non jews ate just fine, the SS and the capo's did just fine.

The capos were the jews who turned to the side of the germans to help. They were treated much better than the other detainees, but they too were prisoners. They didn't get beaten and they instead beat their fellow jews. They even operated the gas chambers untill eventually their time was up and some other capo would come relive them at which point they would be gassed. The jews even turned against each other, it was a sad affair.

But what is the conspiracy theory saying "really happened" is my question. What are they alledging actually went down.

It just seems there is so much corroborating evidence here. Like imagine if during 9-11 they found the bombs in the building, and they had Bush and the entire CIA admitting that they set the whole thing up. Would you still cry foul and say that it's actually a plot to pin it on Bush and the CIA?

That's what's happening here, the germans admitted what they did, I am not sure how you can have a conspiracy against someone who admits to commiting a crime. Plus photos, dead bodies, and gas chambers to boot!

[tom502]

I think it's too controversial to discuss on an open forum.

[sgreger1]

I think it's too controversial to discuss on an open forum.

Tom, it's friday. What am I to be doing at work if not discussing the validity of the holocaust online?

[tom502]

If anyone says anything even minutely counter to the offical platform they are discredited and villified. I actually think this phenomena is more troubling and interesting than what is said to have occurred or not.

[sgreger1]

If anyone says anything even minutely counter to the offical platform they are discredited and villified. I actually think this phenomena is more troubling and interesting than what is said to have occurred or not.

I think that' because it's a sensitive subject. It's like saying slavery never happened in America. If your going to make a claim like that, you should have a mountain of proof behind you before making wild claims. So far I have yet to hear anything in favor of their being some conspiracy theory here. It's nice to say "Yah there was no slavery, but i find it wierd that people won't allow me to claim there was no slavery, that must be proof that i'm right". No it's just proof that if your going to make a claim you have to have something to back it up.


Trust me, no one is going to disappear you for talking bad about the holocaust on the internet, theres pages and pages and pages of sites dedicated to doing that and they are all fine.

[justintempler]

....I would call myself, pro-"Progressive Libertarian National Socialist".

Lol, this sentence makes my head want to explode.

I noticed it too.

[sgreger1]

I noticed it too.

"I would call myself an african american white supremecist, capitalist who favors a socialized economic model, rugged individualist collectivist, pro-regulation anarchist, progressive conservative and a strong proponent of anarchy via state controlled communism" "I don't favor national ethnocentrism but Hitler had a cool hat so I do support national socialism. Also the democrats are running a dictatorship in this country, to fix this we should emulate N Korea which, despite propaganda that says otherwise, is the most sucessfull economic model"




Lol, just teasin you Tom.

[truthwolf1]

Did a Holocaust happen of rounding up Jews, Communists and more? Yes, but

I think the gas chambers should be investigated. There is a lot of conflicting information and no real solid evidence. If it was a fabrication the truth should be known.

The body counts are conflicting from revisionists counts of 600,000 to the 6 million we hear about in the movies. That is quite a big difference and should be historically accurate.

The nuremberg trials also contained forced confessions wich throws out any credibility.

The side that wins documents events the way it wants to.

Since this event happened before I was even born I should be able to talk about or even research it. What is so Taboo about this topic that it even goes even beyond religion?

I think all three of the big superpowers did their fair share of holocausting from the deportations/starvations from Russia to the Nukes that we used.

I think the Jewish holocaust has been way over popularized compared to everybody else's bad time in history.

[tom502]

I think the term, and how it's used here, should be considered. "Holocaust", the intentional effort to genocide the Jews, by using gas chambers, with the number of 6 mil accomplished. If you question or deny that, in any aspect, even the most minutest, you are considered a holocaust denier, and if you express these views, in many countries, you can be arrested and sent to prison.

[sgreger1]

Truthwolf, awesome picture.But that one man and the people that died in hiroshima saved the lives of potentially millions of people. Had that bomb not been dropped, we risked having a land war with Japan that would have been devestating to both sides and resulted in a prolonged war. It was sad, but necessary imo.


Anyways, back to the hitler thing. So you finnaly answered my question, aparently the debate here is just about how many people were murdered. Now, how were the nuremberg trial testimonies forced? Where did all the jews go, the diff between 600k and 6 million is pretty big. The detention centers kept records (well crappy ones), the facilities were all in place, there are pictures, witnesses and survivors of the whole affair, and they all agree on it being way more than a mere 600k. So what evidence would you bring forth to support your claim that it was less? Plus, the SS burned most of the camps before they could be liberated, so that they could cover up what had happened.



Secondly, germany doesn't catch any flack for the holocaust. America catches more flak for arizona enforcing it's borders than germany gets for anything. All governments of all countries have done bad things, it's just that no one has stooped to gassing millions of people in gulags and then burning their bodies, just because they were part of an inferior race.

[tom502]

sgreg- don't forget to read the codoh this weekend.

[sgreger1]

I think the term, and how it's used here, should be considered. "Holocaust", the intentional effort to genocide the Jews, by using gas chambers, with the number of 6 mil accomplished. If you question or deny that, in any aspect, even the most minutest, you are considered a holocaust denier, and if you express these views, in many countries, you can be arrested and sent to prison.

I agree with thedislike for the term holocaust, I mean it's not the only holocaust that's ever happened. I think laws asying you can't be free to say certain things are draconian. But aside from europe, where we don't live, you can say whatever you want here. It's just that you have to do more than "question" it, you have to have some kind of supporting evidence for your claim.


I can "question" if snus is "really" a safe alternative, but without any evidence I don't have a foot to stand on. And I can't blame others for coming down on me and discrediting me, since I am making a clai with nothing to back it up.


So again, I ask both of you. What do you have to back it up?

[LaZeR]

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Now we have big blown out political discussions in the "SITE ANNOUNCEMENTS" section nevertheless. *groans*

Next thing you know, we'll be seeing titties all up in here to.

PS: Welcome back Joe.

[tom502]

"I" don't have anything to back it up. But I refer you to the site I found most detailed. It is really indepth, and covers all of it. It has extensive articles and documents by historians and scientists.

Oh, and your exploding head post did make me laugh.