The Haitians Are Coming!! The Haitians Are Coming!!

[tom502]

Unfortunately tourism will never find its way to Haiti. Its a very, very dangerous place that a tourist would never want to visit, unless of course he wanted to die.

Or needed a voodoo curse.

[cobrageezer]

I stand by my previous post. When faced with suffering of this magnitude, how can one turn away. I come at this from a different veiw point. My two youngest children are Liberian by birth. She was four and weighted 27lbs, he was three and weighted the same when we got off the plane in Portland, both were slowly starving to death. I went to Monrovia in 97 to pick them up in between flare ups of the civil war going on. It was just as big a rat hole as Haiti seems to be. I remind all of you that unless you are Native American we are all desended from imigrants. My own people were Welsh. I know that right now times here are hard, but to show compassion for your fellow man defines us as people. I'm not trying to piss anyone off just shareing my opinion.

[truthwolf1]

I voted no but can accept that if they are coming here legally and our B.S elected officials have chosen that then so be it.

I do not however like at all a open border with illegal mexicans, felon illegals, gang members and possibly terrorists with biological weapons coming in everyday from the south.

This is a bait and switch topic which takes your anger from the real problem facing America.

[tom502]

But shipping them here, throwing them in government projects, and handing them a welfare check, is not going to help them at all. It will only make a Haitian ghetto, filled with crime and violence, all paid for by the American tax payers. Bringing them here is bad all around. It will not help them, when we can't even help ourselves, with our own millions of impoverished, homless, and unemployed, and only adding them to the mix, would make it all worse, for everyone.

I do agree, they need to stay there, and we, and all nations, should no what they can to help rebild. Seems I recall when Katrina hit, Oprah with here billions made like a new neighborhood, of new houses, and it showed people moving in, now I have no idea how this ended, as it seemed like the family they showed was unemployed, and I didn't see any factories or anything around them... But my point is, like Israel is always throwing up new houses, someone needs to clear an area there and build some modern buildings, maybe apartments.

[sgreger1]

I stand by my previous post. When faced with suffering of this magnitude, how can one turn away. I come at this from a different veiw point. My two youngest children are Liberian by birth. She was four and weighted 27lbs, he was three and weighted the same when we got off the plane in Portland, both were slowly starving to death. I went to Monrovia in 97 to pick them up in between flare ups of the civil war going on. It was just as big a rat hole as Haiti seems to be. I remind all of you that unless you are Native American we are all desended from imigrants. My own people were Welsh. I know that right now times here are hard, but to show compassion for your fellow man defines us as people. I'm not trying to piss anyone off just shareing my opinion.

I tottally see where our coming from Cobra, but these people are Haitian's and they deserve the chance to stay in their home land. We need to focus our resources on going over there and rebuilding, because by bringing them here we do a diservice to both them and ourselves.

Plus in the future anytime this kind of disaster happens to a country, (at least annualy) we will be expected to give amnesty to the whole country.


As for the sending our unemployed to go rebuild, I think it's a great idea but it would look really bad in the media. The south american countries are already claiming we are occupying the place, and then we'll have Hugo Chavez saying we used tectonic weapons to destroy the place just to create jobs for ourselves.


I don't think people in America realize our current situation because our standard of living hasn't fallen too far yet since we're early into the recession. Wait till the commercial real estate market goes down and more banks start closing, we are in fo ra tough ride yet. As a country we have to take care of our own before we can support anyone else, and we have millions more unemployed than Haiti's entire population.

[cobrageezer]

Sgreger1; I completely agree that the best thing is for aid to be given in place. The only reports I have heard are people being brought to the U.S. have been children who were already in the process of being adopted. I admit I may have missed something. I don't support long term relocation, but short term for medical aid.

[sgreger1]

Serger; I completely agree that the best thing is for aid to be given in place. The only reports I have heard are people being brought to the U.S. have been children who were already in the process of being adopted. I admit I may have missed something. I don't support long term relocation, but short term for medical aid.

It's much more cost effective to provide aid to them over there as our infrasturcture here is already stressed. Over there we have less red tape to worry about and Dr's without broders has been very effective. Also, aircraft carriers are a good place to start as they are mobile and can provide water and medical facilities for thousands of people.

If someone is adopting kids by all means they must continue being allowed to do so. Adoption is one of the greatest gifts a human can give, nurturing a young life that may otherwise have perished.

I think PP was referring to the fact that they are considering bringing hundreds of thousands (I think 200k was the orriginal number) over here, which I maintain is not a good idea.

Either way, I hope they recover from this tragedy and can go on with their lives. Hopefully they will emerge from this with a better infrastructure and less crime, because Haiti has never been a nice place to live.

[tom502]

They need some population control.

[Roo]

^^^ WTF is that supposed to mean. Not satisfied with 150,000 fewer Haitians? That's some cold-hearted shit. I get tired of you trying to be provocative with shit like that. No one wants to hear it.

[tom502]

They do, and it's not provocative. Before the earthquake hit, they were extremely poor, their houses and buildings are almost like mud huts, and NPR was saying before the quake, their orphanages were overflowed because the people were reproducing faster than their ability to care for their children, and gave them away. If they had a manageable population, they would not be in the state of dispair they are in now. That's not cold hearted, that's actually caring about their welfare, not that it would have any impact. Wanting them to overpopulate to a state of extreme poverty and hunger, now that's being cold hearted. If you had one large pizza and 3 friends, you'd have a good time and be satisfied, now imagine you have one large pizza and 500 people, who's going to be satisfied? And imagine you have 6 kids, live in a mud hut, and have a half a cup of rice, and yet you have more kids, born to live a life of wants and hunger. That to me is cruel, neglect and abuse.

[Roo]

Who doesn't need population control? (besides Canada). I don't get the point of saying that now, after 150,000 are dead. That's "population control" right there. I have some theories on popluation control and [edit: not going to say it] that don't go over too well in mixed company, so please don't accuse me of being overly-PC or some shit like that as some people here like to do. I just don't get the point of your comment. It's like walking up to a guy in the hospital with massive head trauma and saying "you shouldn't have ever bought that motorcycle, jackass, they're dangerous". They need help man, not advice on population control.

[truthwolf1]

3.7 Children per mother.
66% Percent unemployment rate.
3% Infected with HIV
I could not find anything on a divorce rate or if they even do get married to sustain a family.

They definately should do a aids test before allowing these people in the USA.
I agree with Tom that this is human cruelty. This really is a dumb population with a even dumber government to allow things to get this out of control.

The best thing we could do is what we are doing. Just occupy the place so they dont start fleeing in mass droves to the US.

[truthwolf1]

I predict this is going to get uglier in the coming days.

[Roo]

3.7 Children per mother.
66% Percent unemployment rate.
3% Infected with HIV
I could not find anything on a divorce rate or if they even do get married to sustain a family.

They definately should do a aids test before allowing these people in the USA.
I agree with Tom that this is human cruelty. This really is a dumb population with a even dumber government to allow things to get this out of control.

The best thing we could do is what we are doing. Just occupy the place so they dont start fleeing in mass droves to the US.

Haiti ranks 51 in births per woman from 2005-2010 behind 50 other "dumber" countries. All of them in Africa, Central Asia, and the Middle East. The poorer you are, the more kids you have to help generate income. Same thing goes for the poor in the USA. What else besides poor and misfortunate qualifies as dumb in your book? Is Africa just plain dumb? That reminds me, if the answer is yes, read Guns, Germs, and Steal. It won a Pulitzer, it's pretty damn good, and it explains why white people have had an upper hand in politics, resources, and technological advances in the last few thousand years. It's a must read for racists (not calling you one) and people interested in why Africa did not colonize Europe or the Americas, and why certain regions and entire continents have always struggled to reach an acceptable standard of living.

Haiti's percentage of population living with AIDS is quite high at 2.2% (http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/global?page=cr02-ha-00), but not quite as high as in our Nation's Capitol (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031402176.html).

[sgreger1]

3.7 Children per mother.
66% Percent unemployment rate.
3% Infected with HIV
I could not find anything on a divorce rate or if they even do get married to sustain a family.

They definately should do a aids test before allowing these people in the USA.
I agree with Tom that this is human cruelty. This really is a dumb population with a even dumber government to allow things to get this out of control.

The best thing we could do is what we are doing. Just occupy the place so they dont start fleeing in mass droves to the US.

Haiti ranks 51 in births per woman from 2005-2010 behind 50 other "dumber" countries. All of them in Africa, Central Asia, and the Middle East. The poorer you are, the more kids you have to help generate income. Same thing goes for the poor in the USA. What else besides poor and misfortunate qualifies as dumb in your book? Is Africa just plain dumb? That reminds me, if the answer is yes, read Guns, Germs, and Steal. It won a Pulitzer, it's pretty damn good, and it explains why white people have had an upper hand in politics, resources, and technological advances in the last few thousand years. It's a must read for racists (not calling you one) and people interested in why Africa did not colonize Europe or the Americas, and why certain regions and entire continents have always struggled to reach an acceptable standard of living.

Haiti's percentage of population living with AIDS is quite high at 2.2% (http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/global?page=cr02-ha-00), but not quite as high as in our Nation's Capitol (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031402176.html).

Haha, I have not read the book but it sounds good. I already know what is says just by reading your decription. I am willing to bet that it is along the lines of: white people purposely suppressed others so they could get ahead.

I don't disagree that they did. And I don't think it's not wrong.
But survival of the fittest applies to all species, even Homo Sapiens Sapiens.