HAARP, Chemtrails: Conspiracy or not?

[truthwolf1]

The logistics behind chemtrails would be phenomenal and the motives very dubious.

For starters, I think we can discount any notions of hidden spraying devices on commercial planes. The cover-up needed for this kind of operation is simply not feasible.

This leaves us with additives to plane fuel, which would be unwittingly released through normal operation. Now, considering the combustion of the fuel, only very few additives would "survive" the combustion, and those that would, such as certain metals, would presumably be damaging to the engines.

However, the most telling part is that many proponents of the chemtrail theory have great difficulties agreeing not only on the how, but also the why. No convincing reason has been brought up as to why anybody would bother.

So to me, chemtrails are a hoax.

As for HAARP, the suggestion that it could be used for "geophysical warfare" and other such nonsense, is just simply ridiculous if you look at the physics behind it.

My first hunch is a semi harmless additive to the fuel if you ever see one from a commercial plane. Just like all fuel has somekind of crap in it. We are always trying to come up with new ways to process foods etc.. and it could very well explain it.

The HAARP idea is all over the internet. The trails being somekind of military radar or energy/weather weapon. To the most unbelievable as a way for mind control or testing biological elements on people. Mr. Alex Jones stated it could be another slow kill way to thin the herd just like flouridating the water.

Last spring on a sky blue day I remember seeing the criss cross patterns allover one day. Not that flights dont overlap like that everyday but the many small cross spots were very distinct.

[sgreger1]

The logistics behind chemtrails would be phenomenal and the motives very dubious.

For starters, I think we can discount any notions of hidden spraying devices on commercial planes. The cover-up needed for this kind of operation is simply not feasible.

This leaves us with additives to plane fuel, which would be unwittingly released through normal operation. Now, considering the combustion of the fuel, only very few additives would "survive" the combustion, and those that would, such as certain metals, would presumably be damaging to the engines.

However, the most telling part is that many proponents of the chemtrail theory have great difficulties agreeing not only on the how, but also the why. No convincing reason has been brought up as to why anybody would bother.

So to me, chemtrails are a hoax.

As for HAARP, the suggestion that it could be used for "geophysical warfare" and other such nonsense, is just simply ridiculous if you look at the physics behind it.

My first hunch is a semi harmless additive to the fuel if you ever see one from a commercial plane. Just like all fuel has somekind of crap in it. We are always trying to come up with new ways to process foods etc.. and it could very well explain it.

The HAARP idea is all over the internet. The trails being somekind of military radar or energy/weather weapon. To the most unbelievable as a way for mind control or testing biological elements on people. Mr. Alex Jones stated it could be another slow kill way to thin the herd just like flouridating the water.

Last spring on a sky blue day I remember seeing the criss cross patterns allover one day. Not that flights dont overlap like that everyday but the many small cross spots were very distinct.

All I know is that congress and the US military have made reference to chemtrails by name in official legislation and elsewhere more than once, so there has to be something to it. Unless of course you believe congress is just reading conspiracy theory websites.

While mind control is possible imo (long, family story), I doubt this has anything to do with it, since there is no evidence of people acting weird.

Population control seems possible, but there could be such cheaper ways of doign it. A lot of people having frequented the cabinet of various administrations have been proponents of eugenics etc but the size/scope and cost of such a large operation seems to make it not very cost effective if only for population reduction.

We know the military proposed using chemical additives to jet fuel to create an environment in the ionosphere that could be used for antannae, and we know that Hughes aircraft has a petent out (which I linked to above) consisting of a way to spray metals into the atmosphere to mitigate against global warming damage.

I don't know, it just seems like if the project were real, it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars and has been going on for years. So who would authorize that much money to be spent?

[daruckis]

I had a buddy who did a timelapse video of it over the period of a day or two and you can see how organized it is, in a manner that it couldn't be commercial air traffic.

but wouldnt commercial air traffic make organized contrails? like, arent these planes basically flying the same paths to and fro all the time?

[sgreger1]

I had a buddy who did a timelapse video of it over the period of a day or two and you can see how organized it is, in a manner that it couldn't be commercial air traffic.

but wouldnt commercial air traffic make organized contrails? like, arent these planes basically flying the same paths to and fro all the time?

Sorry, I didn't explain. Commercial aircraft do of course fly in pre-determined flight paths so yes, they are by definition organized. I was referring to criss cross patterns or laying one down in the same spot at certain intervals, other flying patterns etc. It seems that it was 2 aircraft bombarding a certain area heavily over a certain period of time, as opposed to following routine air travel routes.

[chadizzy1]

I had a buddy who did a timelapse video of it over the period of a day or two and you can see how organized it is, in a manner that it couldn't be commercial air traffic.

but wouldnt commercial air traffic make organized contrails? like, arent these planes basically flying the same paths to and fro all the time?

Sorry, I didn't explain. Commercial aircraft do of course fly in pre-determined flight paths so yes, they are by definition organized. I was referring to criss cross patterns or laying one down in the same spot at certain intervals, other flying patterns etc. It seems that it was 2 aircraft bombarding a certain area heavily over a certain period of time, as opposed to following routine air travel routes.

Dude, you need a blog to write all this stuff down. Haha. Seriously, you'd have a book in a few weeks.

[sgreger1]

Dude, you need a blog to write all this stuff down. Haha. Seriously, you'd have a book in a few weeks.

More like a large paperweight lol.

If I had a blog I could bombard people with popups for suvival seed banks and colloidal silver generators, maybe even sell gold! loloolololololl

[daruckis]

I had a buddy who did a timelapse video of it over the period of a day or two and you can see how organized it is, in a manner that it couldn't be commercial air traffic.

but wouldnt commercial air traffic make organized contrails? like, arent these planes basically flying the same paths to and fro all the time?

Sorry, I didn't explain. Commercial aircraft do of course fly in pre-determined flight paths so yes, they are by definition organized. I was referring to criss cross patterns or laying one down in the same spot at certain intervals, other flying patterns etc. It seems that it was 2 aircraft bombarding a certain area heavily over a certain period of time, as opposed to following routine air travel routes.

yeah, im not gonna lie. ive looked up at the trails in the sky and thought "what in the hell?" it does look peculiar.

[sgreger1]

http://media.abovetopsecret.com/medi...n_national_tv/


2:46 & 4:12 into the video shows something I see where I live a lot. They will turn the spray on, then turn it off at different times, so there is no possible way that it's just exhaust. Or sometimes there will be two jets and they will take turns, with only 1 spraying behind it, and the non active one leaving no contrail untill it's their turn.

[lxskllr]

It's pretty obvious it's coming off the engines. It's just condensation/exhaust...

[sgreger1]

It's pretty obvious it's coming off the engines. It's just condensation/exhaust...

Well that's what I thought at first but like I said exhaust should be relitavely consistent yet ive seen them many times turn it on for a period, then turn it off circle back around and turn it on again. Like they say in the video, I don't think commercial air traffic would be making laps like that or flying in pairs taking turns spraying. Plus the regular contrails from airlines in the area dissepate while the chemtrails stay for hours at a time, slowly expanding.


It just seems odd to me.

[lxskllr]

No links as to what those pictures actually show? Paranoia sites like to show scary looking chemical(?) tanks, and infer nefarious reasons for their existence, but there's a million reasons why a plane would be setup that way. Also, these geniuses say that the governments spraying the people with something? Well, it's 10s of thousands of feet up. What is it going to do down here again? If it does come down eventually, where's it going to land? Te government scientists must be thoroughly retarded if they grid a section of sky, and expect it to fall underneath it.

The "chemtrails" story is so full of holes, there's no place to start for debunking. Are we back to being monkeys again, making up stories for things we don't understand? That's how god was created, and we're finally almost rid of him, we don't need any more gods....

[justintempler]

No links as to what those pictures actually show? ...

I'll put the first one into context....





see the link for the explanation
http://www.x-plane.com/adventures/th...ng%20room.html

Some people have waaay too much time on their hands. :roll:

[justintempler]

Detailed explantion and a higher quality pic:

Here is an explanation of what you see in this photo:

1. All the wiring you see which is reddish-orange is strictly used flight test wiring. According to Boeing back in 1985, there were (at the time) about 9 miles of such wiring on EVERY aircraft. This wiring extends down to the landing wheels as well, which the person who took this photo neglected to include. After flight test certification, ALL orange wire is removed, all the equipment you see is removed, wires to hundreds of strain sensors glued to the inside of the fuselage are cut and wall panels are installed.

2. The black and yellow safety tape on the floor indicates a step in the floor - it's where a mini-computer room floor begins under which numerous wires and cables are run. This too, is removed later.

3. The "kegs" you see in the photo are filled with WATER, not chemicals. Water is pumped from one bank of aluminum kegs to another to change the center of gravity.

4. The rack cabinets you see in the background control pumps for the keg water and monitor both keg water levels and every flight system on the aircraft. The data is converted to a serial data stream, and transmitted via a microwave downlink on the aircraft to the flight test center. A large tracking dish mounted on the roof of the large hanger at Boeing Field near street Gate 39 is used to receive this microwave signal. The plane flies in a big circle over the Pacific Northwest while the dish tracks the aircraft to receive aircraft test data.

5. Typically each plane to be tested is manned by a crew of about 8 in the cabin. The pilot is a test pilot who is an employee of Boeing. He will do whatever whatever maneuver the FAA inspectors tell him to do.

6. EVERY plane manufactured must be put through this test procedure to receive certification and a subsequent license.

Data from the microwave downlink from the aircraft under test enters a large computer room at Boeing field. There, FAA inspectors run through various flight tests and maneuvers while watching the various data to confirm the plane is functioning within design limits. Back in the 1980's, chart recorders plotted key aircraft parameters on paper. The recorder's paper output traveled down a table, and FAA inspectors wrote notes on it as needed. Each of the several inspectors had a push-to-talk headset to talk to the pilot at any time.

I have stood inside a new aircraft at the plant in Everett, WA back in the mid-80s, where Boeing aircraft were manufactured. Inside it looked almost identical to the one in this photo. At that time, the factory at Everett, WA was the largest building in the world with no internal supports, measuring 1/3 mile x 1/3 mile. Even a 767 inside looked small. This photo above is itself illegal, as Boeing forbids photography at their company unless specifically authorized. This is why you have not seen this image before.

An actual flight test in the certification room on the ground is quite interesting to watch. You see the total weight of the entire aircraft, in excess of 200,000lbs. decreasing at about 10lbs per second as the fuel is burned. This data appears on CRT monitors as well as the settings of flaps, throttle, rudder, etc... The switching system I was responsible for had 100 signal inputs from the aircraft and could switch signals to any of 120 instruments, including two Honeywell data recorders. The system is a redundant switching system, which was
fault tolerant in every way.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/inter...r11feb08.shtml

[lxskllr]

Thanks Justin. You have way more patience(persistence?) than I do :^)

[justintempler]

Thanks Justin. You have way more patience(persistence?) than I do :^)

8)

It makes me sad to see people talk about how great America is
while at the same time they display their lack of critical thinking skills. :cry: