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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #16
    Let's clear the air here before this gets out of hand.

    Let's take them one by one:

    #1 - Galactic Alignment:
    According to Nasa: "There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence. "

    And even if there were some alignment, the effect on earth is almost 0, the celestial bodies are so far apart the affect it has on our little rock is minimum at best.

    #2 - Polar reversal:

    This does happen, althought extremely rarely, and when it does, it happens over a very long period. It's not like all of a suden north will be south etc. It will happen at some time in the future, and this is why I don't worry about climate change etc, because the earth likes to change and kill off some of it's population every now and again and we can't control it anyways.

    #3 - Mayan Calendar:

    Our calendar ends on Dec 31st each year, but the world does not end. Same with the Mayan calendar. Even if one were to believe that these people who had almost no technology and went extinct from sucking so bad ACTUALLY knew something we didn't, they only claim it is the beginning of a new age. There are a few religions that have similar predictions, placing the dawning of a new age at some time around this time period, but so what, probably won't mean anything for us at the moment. Present day Mayans do not believe the world will end, so neither should you.


    Everyone likes to think that people in the past knew something we didn't, but it doesn't make any sense. However, I am of the belief that early man had contact with aliens, since there is huge amounts of written evidence claiming that people came down from the stars and shared technology with them etc, which is how the egyptians and the indians became so advanced anachronistically. If you read the 4,000 year old indian epics they talk about this is some detail, about how people came down in flying machines and they describe current day technology such as radar and nuclear weapons, etc in some detail.


    But either way, I can't believe we are back on the end of the world tip so soon after Y2k.

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    • chainsnuser
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 1389

      #17
      Originally posted by sgreger1
      If you read the 4,000 year old indian epics they talk about this is some detail, about how people came down in flying machines and they describe current day technology such as radar and nuclear weapons, etc in some detail.
      4000 years ago, LSD (ergot alkaloids) was a normal part of the daily diet. Ever wondered where all the crazed imagery of ancient cultures came from?

      About 2012, I don't think that it matters if the Mayas hadn't any interest to extrapolate their calendar to an even more distant future. It's even highly remarkable that they developed such a very long-lasting calendar, given that our modern age computer-developers didn't even think about the year 2000.

      Cheers!

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #18
        Originally posted by chainsnuser
        Originally posted by sgreger1
        If you read the 4,000 year old indian epics they talk about this is some detail, about how people came down in flying machines and they describe current day technology such as radar and nuclear weapons, etc in some detail.
        4000 years ago, LSD (ergot alkaloids) was a normal part of the daily diet. Ever wondered where all the crazed imagery of ancient cultures came from?

        About 2012, I don't think that it matters if the Mayas hadn't any interest to extrapolate their calendar to an even more distant future. It's even highly remarkable that they developed such a very long-lasting calendar, given that our modern age computer-developers didn't even think about the year 2000.

        Cheers!

        Lol, this is news to me. Your saying that 4,000 years ago, most people were triping on acid? I find that hard to believe, I mean if it was a " normalpart of their daily diet" I would imagine slave labor would not work too well, and I imagine cultures would have been way diffrent than they were.

        I'm intirested in this, as I have never heard it before, do you have a link?

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        • chainsnuser
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 1389

          #19
          That's general knowledge (or common speculation among historians at least). Most people did it involuntary as it seems, just because there was little awareness about the mind-opening, or in larger doses lethal effects of eating ergots.

          Have a look at the Wikipedia-article for instance:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claviceps_purpurea

          Cheers!

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          • tom502
            Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 8985

            #20
            I don't believe this was a common thing among all ancient peoples. And if you did eat it all the time, the effects would wear off.

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            • sgreger1
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #21
              Originally posted by chainsnuser
              That's general knowledge (or common speculation among historians at least). Most people did it involuntary as it seems, just because there was little awareness about the mind-opening, or in larger doses lethal effects of eating ergots.

              Have a look at the Wikipedia-article for instance:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claviceps_purpurea

              Cheers!
              The neurotropic activities of the ergot alkaloids may also cause hallucinations and attendant irrational behaviour, convulsions, and even death.[10][11] Other symptoms include strong uterine contractions, nausea, seizures, and unconsciousness. Since the Middle Ages, controlled doses of ergot were used to induce abortions and to stop maternal bleeding after childbirth.[14] Ergot alkaloids are also used in products such as Cafergot (containing caffeine and ergotamine[14] or ergoline) to treat migraine headaches


              It sounds like it only grow on some of these plants, and that it was known about and used in a controlled manner. Also, of the side effects was nausia, seizures etc, so it couldn't have been a staple to people's daily diet.


              It sounds like it affected people during the middle ages, some having claimed it may have caused the symptoms in the girls that lead to the salem witch trials, but it seems that that theory was shot down.

              I dunno, I can see how it could have affected people here or there, but it also seems that people were aware of it's existence and effects and used it in a controlled manner for rituals etc. I don't see any evidence that they tripped on acid every day unknowingly to the point where it would explain lots of the ancient folklore.

              Ergot contains no lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) but ergotamine, which is used to synthesize lysergic acid, an analog of and precursor for synthesis of LSD. Moreover, ergot sclerotia naturally contain some amounts of lysergic acid.[15]
              So trace amounts ate best, couldn't see this having any long term effect on cultures.


              But the real question is, where is my ergot snus?

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              • adm
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 240

                #22
                Ergot poisoning was definitely fairly common in Medieval Europe - mainly due to poor storage conditions for grain (particularly rye). Not surprising if you think that the community would probably all get bread from the same baker.

                Google "St. Anthony's Fire" for example.

                There's quite a few well known "religious" events that have been potentially linked to entire communities eating ergot infected grain.

                Community tripping - that must have been a blast!

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                • sgreger1
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #23
                  Originally posted by adm
                  Ergot poisoning was definitely fairly common in Medieval Europe - mainly due to poor storage conditions for grain (particularly rye). Not surprising if you think that the community would probably all get bread from the same baker.

                  Google "St. Anthony's Fire" for example.

                  There's quite a few well known "religious" events that have been potentially linked to entire communities eating ergot infected grain.

                  Community tripping - that must have been a blast!

                  Yah it was pretty common, and was used by cults etc. Some think it started the wierd symptoms the salem witch trial girls had.

                  But the point is that I don't think ergot explains why the Mayans made calendars or why the egyptians worshipped Ra or any number of other ancient folklore or culture. It was stated as if everyone was tripping balls every day for 5,000 years. Not that that wouldn't be awesome.

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                  • justintempler
                    Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3090

                    #24
                    FWIW

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                    • adm
                      Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 240

                      #25
                      Originally posted by sgreger1
                      But the point is that I don't think ergot explains why the Mayans made calendars or why the egyptians worshipped Ra or any number of other ancient folklore or culture. It was stated as if everyone was tripping balls every day for 5,000 years. Not that that wouldn't be awesome.
                      You're right....it doesn't explain those things.

                      I can see why the Egyptians worshipped Ra though.....if you need to worship anything, then at least worshipping the sun makes sense as it can be easily seen and it's effects understood and appreciated on a daily basis.

                      It makes far more sense than worshipping some invisible geezer who lives in the sky, knows everythig and loves you - but sends you to burn for all eternity if you don't do exactly what his PR guys say.

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                      • tom502
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8985

                        #26
                        Sun worship is in all religions. Even in Christianity Christ refers to the sun. That's why he has the solar wheel around his head. This is all explained in the Zeitgeist film.

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                        • RRK
                          Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 926

                          #27
                          Originally posted by adm
                          It makes far more sense than worshipping some invisible geezer who lives in the sky, knows everythig and loves you - but sends you to burn for all eternity if you don't do exactly what his PR guys say.
                          You owe Carlin's estate a nickel.

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                          • Roo
                            Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3446

                            #28
                            Originally posted by tom502
                            Sun worship is in all religions. Even in Christianity Christ refers to the sun. That's why he has the solar wheel around his head. This is all explained in the Zeitgeist film.
                            No it's not. The most notable sun worshippers were the Mayans and the Zoroastrians. And the Egyptians. How does Christianity worship the sun? Because 15th century halos resemble the sun (solar wheel)? Buddhist and Muslims don't make much mention of the sun, and as far as I know, neither do Christians. The Vedic traditions might mention it in the context of Brahma creation myths, but I don't think it's anywhere near a central focus, or "worship". Correct me if I'm wrong, you are much more versed in the Vedic tradition than I. But sun worship is one of many factors that separate the theists and the animists. God made the sun, if you're inclined toward a theistic creationist explanation, and in that context the sun has no inherant spiritual value as being worthy of worship. Unless you're an ancient Egyptian, in which case you might think the sun is actually God.

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                            • texasmade
                              Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 4159

                              #29
                              [quote="adm"
                              and they have been tweaking our planet's crust back and forward for billions of years already.
                              .[/quote]

                              silly man didn't you know? the earth is only 14,000 years old.

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                              • WickedKitchen
                                Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 2528

                                #30
                                I don't think and ergot snus would work. I tried it with Salvia and just wasted salvia. Smoking it is another story all together. Actually it's two stories for me but neither one of them make any sort of sense.

                                In the readings I've done it seems that several psychedelics cause people to have similar "visions". This could all be chemistry...or it could be something more. I'm inclined to the latter. I don't yet know what it is but I've attempted to learn a few times and twice I came really close.

                                Drugs in cultures are very interesting to me.

                                I've had two notable trips that were unlike anything i could have possible imagined. These experiences did not come from the salvia I had mentioned above but it was w/ psychedelics. I was doing it to get high, but something else happened. Something distinctly different. Yeah, I was tripping balls but on two occasions I was completely disconnected from by physical body. I "went" somewhere. One time I was in space...flying through the stars and with this one I gained some sort of knowledge that I cannot explain. I understood life better after that. I still do but again, it's something that I don't yet know how to articulate. The other time I was on a space ship of sorts. I don't think that I took enough of this substance either time. I was close to something but it was the first two attempts and I was scared.

                                It's been over five years since then and I am only now beginning to work up the guts to try again. I just need my life to be a bit more stable before I try. I don't think that it would work right now and I'd just get high. I'm not interested in just getting high much anymore (at least nigh tripping high). The studies are leading me to dimethyltriptamine and the pineal glad but I am not ready for this yet. Maybe someday.

                                Ok, now that I can be officially called a wacko I'll stop this post.

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