fort hood shooting

[texasmade]

innocent before proven guilty is sadly not how things work these days in alot of places..but true he should be given a fair trial...now if they caught him on tape inside of that building...

[sgreger1]

He's not guilty as in "will goto jail", untill he proven guilty in a court, but when reporting on the subject I wish they would call it for what it is. "The guy who shot a bunch of people, as reported by hundreds of eye witnesses and per the official report.


There's a difference between guilty in court and guilty as in everyone seen him do it and there is no question as to whether it was him or not.

That's a mistrial waiting to happen. If it's all over the news that he shot people, how can he get a fair trial? The jury's decision should only take into account what was heard in court.

Someone, most likely wearing BDUs(as do most people in the military) shot a bunch of fellow soldiers. They caught someone they /think/ committed the crime. It's up to the prosecutor to prove that in court. All soldiers look the same. He could have been in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Maybe he got a weapon out of the locker, and was coming to help. The real killer could still be out there.

Him having a brandished weapon on post is already a felony, there are no guns in lockers.

His lawyer is still trying to claim he can't get a fair trial and is using that to his advantage.

The point is, he was seen shooting multiple soldiers, then swat showed up, he shot 4 of them, then this off duty police officer shot him and they took him to the hospital. Also, his superiors confirmed it was him.

There is no mistake that it was him. On top of that, he had been talking about how much he hated US soldiers who fought muslims for a long time.

[sgreger1]

innocent before proven guilty is sadly not how things work these days in alot of places..but true he should be given a fair trial...now if they caught him on tape inside of that building...

In court, yes, innocent untill rpoven guilty. But a guy telli the story, or a newspaper reporting on the facts, should call it what it is.


Catching him on tape? How about an entire swap team ID'ing the shooter, after taking 4 losses, an off duty poliec officers who took him down in the middle of the rampage, and 100 rounds that were fired from the guns he was holding, ontop of dozens if not hundreds of eye witnesses who were at the processing center or at the theatre next door.

No political correctness necessary. It is not a bad thing to call bad people what they are: bad people.

[lxskllr]

Him having a brandished weapon on post is already a felony, there are no guns in lockers.

His lawyer is still trying to claim he can't get a fair trial and is using that to his advantage.

The point is, he was seen shooting multiple soldiers, then swat showed up, he shot 4 of them, then this off duty police officer shot him and they took him to the hospital. Also, his superiors confirmed it was him.

There is no mistake that it was him. On top of that, he had been talking about how much he hated US soldiers who fought muslims for a long time.

What weapon? Maybe it was a gun shaped lighter.

Someone was seen shooting soldiers. Probably someone wearing BDUs. Last time I was on base, a lot of people wore BDUs. They all look the same to me.

There's a reason our legal system was setup the way it was. **** health care, socialism, and any other petty problem that might be going on now. If our judicial system is allowed to be degraded, the government spying on citizens, and high taxes will be the good old days.

[sgreger1]

Him having a brandished weapon on post is already a felony, there are no guns in lockers.

His lawyer is still trying to claim he can't get a fair trial and is using that to his advantage.

The point is, he was seen shooting multiple soldiers, then swat showed up, he shot 4 of them, then this off duty police officer shot him and they took him to the hospital. Also, his superiors confirmed it was him.

There is no mistake that it was him. On top of that, he had been talking about how much he hated US soldiers who fought muslims for a long time.

What weapon? Maybe it was a gun shaped lighter.

Someone was seen shooting soldiers. Probably someone wearing BDUs. Last time I was on base, a lot of people wore BDUs. They all look the same to me.

There's a reason our legal system was setup the way it was. **** health care, socialism, and any other petty problem that might be going on now. If our judicial system is allowed to be degraded, the government spying on citizens, and high taxes will be the good old days.

Lol, I see the point you are trying to make. But we have eye witnesses, including people that were standing next to him, to the swat officers that engaged him, to the woman who finnaly took him down, who confirmed it was him. It wasn't just "some guy in BDU's.

Also, what do you mean what gun? They collected the guns as evidence and even released the nomenclature of each weapon, and specificly cited that one of them was specificly tailored to penetrate body armor.

They also have records of him buying the guns. There is literally NO question that it was him, not one shred of evidence that doesn't point directly at him.

I agree, the legal system nees to be kept in place. I never said treat him as guilty in court or by the police. But OUTSIDE of the legal system, IE people on a forum or in a new report, admit it for what it is. Why people always want to make apologies for evil people I will never know.

[lxskllr]

I agree, the legal system nees to be kept in place. I never said treat him as guilty in court or by the police. But OUTSIDE of the legal system, IE people on a forum or in a new report, admit it for what it is. Why people always want to make apologies for evil people I will never know.

The judicial process can't be contaminated. If everywhere you turn it's being said he's guilty, that's going to affect the jurors regardless of facts.

Protections are in place for the communists, KKK, and Nazis. Nobody has a problem with the rainbow lovers. Protections are in place for the fringe, and the unloved of society.

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[sgreger1]

I agree, the legal system nees to be kept in place. I never said treat him as guilty in court or by the police. But OUTSIDE of the legal system, IE people on a forum or in a new report, admit it for what it is. Why people always want to make apologies for evil people I will never know.

The judicial process can't be contaminated. If everywhere you turn it's being said he's guilty, that's going to affect the jurors regardless of facts.

Protections are in place for the communists, KKK, and Nazis. Nobody has a problem with the rainbow lovers. Protections are in place for the fringe, and the unloved of society.

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I see where your coming from and it's sad that things work that way. In todays day and age you can't even call a murderer what he is because somehow it might affect his trial.

Oh well, after a few years once all the delays, discovery etc is done and he finnaly gets convicted we can call it what it is/was at that time.

[tom502]

Those people just fell down and got hurt and were mass hallucinating from the bad fish.

[Roo]

Badfish? Where? Hope he's still snusing. BTW that reminds me. I was in the Swedish district of Seattle last night called Ballard. Where some of the dudes from Deadliest Catch hail from. There's a pizza joint called Snoose Exchange. In the Swedish neighborhood. Good story, eh? Back to the topic at hand...

[lxskllr]

Badfish? Where? Hope he's still snusing. BTW that reminds me. I was in the Swedish district of Seattle last night called Ballard. Where some of the dudes from Deadliest Catch hail from. There's a pizza joint called Snoose Exchange. In the Swedish neighborhood. Good story, eh? Back to the topic at hand...

Herring pizza?

I'd like to hear from badfish myself.

[Skimo]

Terrorism is any act that would cause terror (also known as fear).

Terrorism is an umbrella for actions taken to intimidate (outside of warfare and other legally sanctioned operations et cetera.)

Most likely he's a terrorist, I'll let his judges decide.

First military execution in a generation, not for some BS trumped up AWOL charge, not for disobeying an order, but for being a murdering POS unfit for breathing.

[sgreger1]

It has now come to light that the man accused of murdering 13 people and wounding 30 others in last week’s shooting spree at Fort Hood, Maj. Nidal Hasan, had business cards on which he proclaimed to be a “Soldier of Allah.”

The cards were found in Hasan’s apartment and while listing his professional qualifications as a psychiatrist and contact information, the cards contain a line reading: "SoA(SWT)."

Experts claim that the line is common shorthand among radical Muslims for “Soldier of Allah,” and "Subhanahu Wa Ta'all," which means "glory to God."




http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfo...business-cards

[KarlvB]

The cards were found in Hasan’s apartment and while listing his professional qualifications as a psychiatrist and contact information, the cards contain a line reading: "SoA(SWT)."

Experts claim that the line is common shorthand among radical Muslims for “Soldier of Allah,” and "Subhanahu Wa Ta'all," which means "glory to God."

You are aware that in the tech community SoA is commonly used for "service-oriented architecture" and SWT is used for "standard widget toolkit"?

(SWT is a widget toolkit for Java designed to provide efficient, portable access to the user-interface facilities of the operating systems on which it is implemented).

So the other explanation is that he could have been a Java developer in his spare time.

[sgreger1]

The cards were found in Hasan’s apartment and while listing his professional qualifications as a psychiatrist and contact information, the cards contain a line reading: "SoA(SWT)."

Experts claim that the line is common shorthand among radical Muslims for “Soldier of Allah,” and "Subhanahu Wa Ta'all," which means "glory to God."

You are aware that in the tech community SoA is commonly used for "service-oriented architecture" and SWT is used for "standard widget toolkit"?

(SWT is a widget toolkit for Java designed to provide efficient, portable access to the user-interface facilities of the operating systems on which it is implemented).

So the other explanation is that he could have been a Java developer in his spare time.

Lol that's funny you should mention that I was thinking along the same lines. But apparently according to the authorities that was not the case. I don't know, personally all I know is what they report.


I think something is weird about this whole thing. Too much stuff doesn't add up. He was either a crazy radical (who still drank alchohol and went to strip clubs?) or he thought he was part of a program to find real terrorists so he was supposed to lure them in and got set up, or something.

I don't think this was just some guy going crazy last minute, there seems to be a long history behind this guy openly talking about killing americans and how jihad is good and yet he was untouchable and promoted ahead of schedule despite constant complaints against him and crappy job performance. No one even questioned him for his security clearence after these comments.



The guys been awake for like a week, why the hell have they not issued a statement from him yet? I'm really curious as to what he has to say.

[VBSnus]

Section 8 gone wrong?