Does anyone believe that ObamaCare will not cover illegals?

[Premium Parrots]

did I miss any additional F bombs in this thread?

I just got home and found this thread. let me get my popcorn and a beer and I'll have an F bomb or two for yas :P

Edit - We can't use creative language anymore? Has this place turned into a nanny state, like our government?? (just kidding about that :P)

well............so far I'm only editing the F bombs, that I find. the least we can do for Ice is to not use THAT f**king word. F**ker.

[Snusophile]

Healthcare is not a right, it is a service you buy

**** me, that was uncalled for

are you insane?

[spirit72]

I, too, do not really care if illegals get health care.

If someone gets sick, let's treat them. Seems like the human thing to do.

But that's just my take.

[Ainkor]

did I miss any additional F bombs in this thread?

I just got home and found this thread. let me get my popcorn and a beer and I'll have an F bomb or two for yas :P

Edit - We can't use creative language anymore? Has this place turned into a nanny state, like our government?? (just kidding about that :P)

well............so far I'm only editing the F bombs, that I find. the least we can do for Ice is to not use THAT f**king word. F**ker.

F**k yah man!

I'm down with that S**t!

[justintempler]

I, too, do not really care if illegals get health care.

If someone gets sick, let's treat them. Seems like the human thing to do.

But that's just my take.

8)

It's not the job of healthcare to weed out who is legal or who is illegal.

That's what we have Immigration and Customs Enforcement for.

United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a component of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Our mission is to protect national security by enforcing our nation's customs and immigration laws.

The same people bitching about bureaucracy and the size of government are the ones that want to complicate healthcare and add another layer of bureaucracy to the system to fix a problem that should be handled elsewhere.

[VBSnus]

Agreed justin. Obama conceded on malpractice reform, as that is clearly within the bounds of the health care reform and has been trumpeted loudly as a key point against any Democrat plan.

The bill makes it ILLEGAL for illegal immigrants to be covered. Laws are hierarchal, you don't want to wrap in immigration legislation into any law beyond defining what services illegal immigrants may or may not receive under said law.

You can show all the articles and graphs that you want 'proving' that illegals might slip in, but it is not and should not be within the scope of the healthcare bill to define illegal immigration reform. All independent fact check organizations show that this bill does in fact exclude illegal immigrants. Whether or not other laws need to be changed to reform immigration is another matter...one which you would probably agree should be saved for a Republican congress.

[Maron]

I, too, do not really care if illegals get health care.

If someone gets sick, let's treat them. Seems like the human thing to do.

But that's just my take.

One of the many reasons we have a problem with illegal immigration is attitudes like this . If people who came here illegally , were unable to receive free health care . Along with the inability to get jobs and have access to government programs intended for the citizens that are less fortunate . Illegal immigration would not be the problem it is today .... Come to this country legally , get access to what helps makes this the greatest country in the world .

As far as if an illegal gets sick here . Stabilize them and ship there ass back to were they came from for further treatment . But that will never happen because it is illegal to ask someone their citizen status in situations like that .

[paulwall9]

YOU GUYS PLAY NICE!! I CAN JUST FEEL THE TENSION BUILDING IN THIS THREAD! :x

[sundog]

Illegals are already getting free medical care. All they have to do is show up at the ER. Nobody can legally be refused treatment. Who else is this bill supposed to cover?

The poor already have Medicaid, but millions haven't bothered to sign up for it. Young people who think they're immortal don't bother with insurance. Can you think of anybody else?

Who exactly are we supposed to be covering for hundreds of billions of dollars?

I am in favor of legislation that makes an insurance company cover pre-existing conditions IF you had some other insurance up to that point.

[VBSnus]

The poor already have Medicaid, but millions haven't bothered to sign up for it. Young people who think they're immortal don't bother with insurance. Can you think of anybody else?

Okay, gladly. In fact I've already posted this in another thread.

I have no health insurance and have been declined by Humana, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Aetna, Anthem, and Trigon. When I lost my last job I was offered COBRA at $1500/month. I have been self employed for the last three years and unable to get insurance because of a pre-existing condition. Though I have appealed and done everything possible, they simply said "No." I pay over $40k a year in taxes.

My wife is covered. She was denied first because she went to a chiropractor voluntarily a few years back and they said they denied her due to "back trauma". And when she did get coverage, they put a 1 year rider on all "female reproductive care". Since then they have refused to cover everything from physical therapy after a torn tendon to an MRI her doctor recommended.

My mother is 52 and has enough saved to comfortably retire at 55. However, she will be denied coverage as would her husband whose job does not offer insurance. As such, she must wait until Medicare kicks in to retire, despite her responsible saving through life.

A friend of mine just lost his job while his wife is going through a threatened miscarriage. They are a new couple, married for two years. He has been denied coverage due to asthma. She has been denied coverage due to pregnancy and complications.

Denied. Not "price raised a little". Not "paying for their indecent lifestyle". Denied an insurance plan.

The insurance market is disgusting. They have artificially inflated the price of medical care for decades and decline coverage at their whim. They stop entrepreneurs from building businesses, people from retiring, businesses from growing, and large companies from competing. They ensure that corporate America runs the show.

Illegals are already getting free medical care. All they have to do is show up at the ER. Nobody can legally be refused treatment. Who else is this bill supposed to cover?

So you like it this way? You think the ER should be used as a well-check room for people without coverage?

Or perhaps a bill should be introduced which aims to fix that issue?

[Maron]

Does anyone know where the list is published containing the names of the cancer drugs that are illegal in the UK ? You know the ones that are to expensive , so the government will not let them be prescribed / given .

Does anyone , including those who took part in writing the bill , even know everything that is contained in it ? Brings back scary memories of pork that would be slid into bills .

[VBSnus]

Does anyone know where the list is published containing the names of the cancer drugs that are illegal in the UK ? You know the ones that are to expensive , so the government will not let them be prescribed / given .

Does anyone , including those who took part in writing the bill , even know everything that is contained in it ? Brings back scary memories of pork that would be slid into bills .

At this point there is no excuse for not knowing what's in the bill. I don't mean they need to be able to call up every clause at a moment's notice, but there's been ample time to read the bill. The whole "I won't vote until I know what's in it" argument now makes people sound like slow, stupid readers. HR3200 has been out there for months.

As for the list of cancer drugs, don't be fooled by the insurance companies in America. Drugs are already being rationed, care is already being rationed. People are declined on claims every day. And which is the bigger risk: a government which must cut costs, or a for-profit corporation which must make stellar profits to please share holders?

[tom502]

Next time I get sick enough to need a doctor, I am going to the ER and making up a name and say I am homeless and have no ID.

[sgreger1]

Healthcare is not a right, it is a service you buy

**** me, that was uncalled for

are you insane?

Rights are something that are inherint, meaning they cannot be taken or even given away.

That is like saying FOOD is a right. It is not a right, it is a product which you must buy, even though we all agree it is something you need.

Why has the world become so lazy as to believe that the middle class should buy them everything. Why does everyone want something for free?

Health Care requires Dr's, which spend a lot of money to get PHD's and spend decades of their life to get wherethey are. They work rediculous hours. Medication costs money. Expensive high-tech machines cost money. Anyone who thinks these things are God given rights and not a service you have to pay for is

a) retarded
b) does not understand how we operate here in America

[paulwall9]

I think some people have forgotten health care is not a RIGHT, it is a priveilage! Now, I may not believe in sending away the sick i think that we should help everyone, but that is not how buisness goes and I also understand healthcare is not a right!