Discussion On President Obama

[Roo]

I'll bash liberals, and obama all day long. You'll feel the same way in a year, or two. Until then continue on monitoring your carbon footprint and shopping at wholefoods. Maybe get a new pair of crocs for those special occassions.

Special occasions? Dude, I wear crocks and my YES WE CAN T-shirt even when I'm making love. But I switch to Birkenstocks before I go to Whole Foods. I like to fit in.

So what about my original question? Do you think 6 months of Obama has been (not will be, because no one knows) worse than over 4,000 US soldiers dying in needless wars and a tanking economy? I suppose you can bash all you want, I just want to know why. I hope it has more to do with your personal beliefs on his policies than with Crocks and Whole Foods...

[Roo]

Never mind, screw it. Maybe it's too "hot" of a topic to discuss respectfully here. We are already slipping. I'm over it. Let's talk about the weather or something.

[tom502]

I don't hate Obama, but I didn't hate Bush either. I think our national and political problems are not based on who sits in the chair. Obama only lessened troops in Iraq, and just moved them to Afganistan, and they are dying there just as much as they were in Iraq. I was hoping Obama would bring the troops home, and get out of that crazy part of the world. But we have a president and not a dictator, so he is very limited on what he can do.

[sagedil]

33 replies in, and I haven't said a peep.

New world record!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[digitalerik]

Soldiers die, it comes with the job. This is why they deserve our respect. Obviously if our country puts them into harms way it's for a strategic reason. But yeah, very hot topic. Obama is further ruining this country. Things would be better if Bush were still in office.

[digitalerik]

Another example of stimulus dollars at work

The U.S. Department of Transportation announced on Friday that it is sending $2 million in stimulus money to the state DOT to buy four buses. The buses will be owned by the state. Boston Express will use one pair, and C&J Trailways will use the other -- all for free. C&J co-owns Boston Express with Concord Coach.


"These funds are creating jobs now while investing in the future of our transit systems," Administrator Peter Rogoff of the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) said in Friday's news release. "The public's demand for transit service continues to grow, and these dollars will help meet that need."

That sounds nice. But it isn't true.

Two of the buses will replace C&J buses currently in service on I-95. C&J President Jim Jalbert confirmed to us in an interview Friday that his company would make no new hires in relation to receiving those buses.

The other two buses will be used by Boston Express to add new service. The number of new jobs created? "As many as four or five," Jalbert said. They will all be bus drivers.

Two million dollars to create "four or five" bus-driver jobs? That's as much as $500,000 per job.

But the FTA's Rogoff said these buses are needed to keep up with rising demand for commuter bus service. Even if they aren't creating jobs, aren't they necessary to shuttle all the new people switching from cars to buses?

No. The opposite is true. The economy has slowed demand for Boston commuter service, Jalbert said. Instead of increasing the need for new buses, it's made him put off purchasing them.

In addition, he said he wouldn't have needed stimulus money to buy Boston Express's two buses. He would have received other federal subsidies for those buses, as he has in the past.

"Some money for the buses would have come from that at some point," he said, referring to other available federal grants. C&J, Concord Coach and Boston Express already operate 20 buses purchased with federal taxpayer money.

Don't the companies need government help because of the economy? Jalbert says Boston Express is steadily growing and will for the next three years. Ken Hunter, vice president of Concord Coach, Boston Express's other parent company, told us Friday that Concord Coach has just ordered 11 new buses for a cost of about $5.5 million. They're not struggling.

The real object of these subsidies is not economic stimulus. It's to get people out of their cars and into mass transit. To achieve that goal, bus subsidies are a much better option than spending $300 billion on the commuter rail project New Hampshire hopes to talk Washington into funding. Jalbert expects Boston Express to actually be profitable within a few years. The trains will never make a profit.

If the Obama administration were just honest about its intent for this money, the taxpayers might be OK with how it's being spent. Instead, the administration spends money subsidizing mass transit and falsely calls it stimulus. That's a blatant attempt to dupe the taxpayers. For that, the taxpayers ought to be thoroughly outraged

[Badfish74]

OK I am so very confused...maybe someone here can clear this up for me..

Soldiers deserve our respect, but those dispicable Croc wearers should be burned at the stake. OK here's my dilemma....I served as a U.S. Army Airborne Infantryman AND I rock the Crocs...so where do I fit in that equation? :lol:

Sorry Roo....I just couldn't resist!!! :lol:

As my mama loves to say, "Oh the youth of America!" :wink:

[digitalerik]

yes, you hit the nail on the head.

[Roo]

Glad I didn't say how I really felt about Crocs... That's OK, I wouldn't be caught dead in any sandals. Just how I am. No worries Badfish!

Taxpayers can be outraged. Look, I said I didn't approve of Obama's domestic agendas. So far, they have pretty much sucked. We are in agreement there. All I was wondering is why I see so much Obama-bashing within his first six months when Bush really f***ed it up for us big time. BIG TIME. I worry about my best fried every day over there putting his life in grave danger for what. Nothing. I never saw much Bush-bashing when he was President. Made me wonder if most people here support him and his wars and his bulls**t, or if they were just over it after 7 years when I joined the forum. No worries, disagreements are A-OK. At least we all like snus.

[Badfish74]

I love snus.......and Crocks!!!! I like to let my dogs run free! :lol:


In all seriousness Roo, it was a great topic, and it went oh so smoothly for a while. But there's always those people out there that feel the need to project their misery on everybody else. It's just the way of the web.

[Roo]

In all seriousness Roo, it was a great topic, and it went oh so smoothly for a while. But there's always those people out there that feel the need to project their misery on everybody else. It's just the way of the web.

No I was asking for opinions, everyone's got one. Our government = bullocks. I think lots of us agree on that. Excuse the closing words, hope this dies.

[justintempler]

33 replies in, and I haven't said a peep.

New world record!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm proud of you sage. 8)

[sgreger1]

Oh well you know I have to chime in on this.



Roo, look I didn't like Bush either, but he is not the one that caused this recession, you cannot blame all of this on the war, it was mainly the housing market and bi-products of the loans backing up those houses that ****ed this whole thing up.

This leaves blame for everyone, from the consumer, to the president, but mainly to congress whos chief responsibility is doing things like regulating banking entities.
Bush mentioned to congress that this would be a problem in the future but he didn't take it to the public to rally for us to stop it before it was to late. So he didn't do enough to stop it, but its not his fault that the crash actually happened.


Obama
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Obama has taken everything bush has done bad and amped it up with steroids and pumped it up with PCP and then washed it down with a crack hit.

I was mad that Bush had so much runaway spending and how he was making government larger, with more central control.

So what happens? Obama comes in, spends SO much money that it makes Bush's budget look like penies, and then adopts the mantra of "We have to spend our way out of debt".
Then he is of course taking controll of many private sectors such as cars, banks, healthcare, energy.


Then his "green" policies like cap-and-trade: He wants to essentially tax the air.
Cap-and-trade was something that started back with Enron and clinton and is being revived today, many countries like India, Australia, China, Japan etc all think cap-and-trade is retarded and says "fine if you want to hinder your competitiveness in the marketplace by making it more expensive for your companies to do business, than by all emans go ahead."




IF WE DONT STOP TAXING SMALL BUSINESS, PRINTING MONEY, AND CONTINUE THE WARS OVERSEAS, THIS COUNTRY WILL FALL.

Obama is spending more, amping up the military budget, trying to be friendly with dictators, trying to raise taxes on everyone especially the middle class, and now his healthcare is just the lynchpin on the grenade.
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I didn't like Bush either, but at this point I would be willing to have him over Obama because at least he didn't interupt my prime-time programming trying to sell me something like a damn sham-wow commercial, and at least Bush's spending was less than Obama's and he believed in tax cuts.

[sgreger1]

I served as a U.S. Army Airborne Infantryman AND I rock the Crocs...so where do I fit in that equation? :lol:

Lol, what unit were you in? Judging by your location I would guess 82nd Ab. If so I was in the 82nd in 1-505,l but I have been ona protest against crocs since when i first saw them.


Why do you guys like those things they are the ugliest shoes of all time, are they comfortable or something?

[sgreger1]

I'm a Libertarian.

I'm all for a Gov run or managed health care. It works in too many countries to call it a failure.

Then how can you call yourself a Libertarian?

lol yah you =FAIL as a libertarian. And define "Works". Public school "works" by some measure, but it could be better. Socialised healthcare has as many downfalls as our current system, just in different areas. So why spent trillions changing over to a NEW set of problems?